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    When we went into Iraq people were ticked b/c we didn't find any WMD's (weapons of mass distruction). The Hollywood elite said "Bush just wants oil" At this point I can now see why he would go into Iraq because of oil. He saw the big picture. American's were not let in on our energy crisis because in fact if we had been told, being Americans we wouldn't have believed him.

    I'm sitting here in Georgia where we have no gas. We are telling Alabama not to come for the big football game against the Bulldogs because if they do there is a very strong chance they will not make it home "we do not have any gas" My daughter got a call, some guy had a huge 5 or 10 (can't remember now) gallon drum he just filled with gas. It's not against the law. So while some sit (encluding her) with no gas others are filling up anything they can find to put gas in. People are in the panic mode.

    Here is the big picture. The Russians attacked Georgia over oil, the Russians tapped off a pipeline running from Iraq (so did France and Germany), Russia just sent war ships to Venezuela due to his pact with President Hugo Chavez who wishes to sever ties with the U.S. (it is the strongest signal since the cold war) and no longer wishes to depend upon sending the U.S. oil, they have strong ties with Iraq and are courting the middle east.

    It seems to me Russia has been in a long range plan to shut off oil from coming to the U.S. When the republicians say drill at home is it because we are running out of options? When Obama says we need alternative energy sources does he not realize we should have started that plan at least ten years ago for it to be effective today? We need alternative energy but for right now we need oil. Without it our country stops, just ask Georgia because we aren't going anywhere except from gas pump to gas pump. Thats all vehicles from police cars to ambulances to my own car.

    Those that warned us about Russia, did they know that Russia would back the terrorist? What? Did they help us after 9/11? No. Have they ever helped us? No. Russia has strong ties to the middle east because they are in effect backing the terrorist against us.

    Our present day financial failure - Our country owes it's soul to foreign investors, figure out who the foreign investors are. Our country is in a crisis and largely due to the failure of banks to perform a system of checks and balances. They hold huge loan notes on paper from people who have no credit. The banks were greedy. The banks we depend upon to spend our money wisely screwed us over because they got greedy plain and simple. We of course are looking for the easy bail out. If the bail out occurs does everyone realize they are bailing out the banks, they are not bailing out poor Mr.Shultz who actually does have good credit and can't afford his monthly mortgage.

    Terrorism is a problem, oil (energy)is a problem, our financial system failure is a problem. Lets face it we know Russia, China and the middle east are long past tired of our life style, our beliefs, our "decadence" each is ready for our fall. As one leader in the middle east said "America should be wiped off the face of the earth" Russia and China wants our place at the dinner table.

    So will foreign investors want to come to the aid of a country in crisis? Well not the type of foriegn investors we want. I can see the middle east, or China coming to our aid. Thats just one more nail in the coffin of the big picture screw over.

    This is not the rally cry of Braveheart "die by the sword" sort of thing. I have no answeres. I'm telling you we need to see the big picture. We need to listen to what these politicans are saying. They got us into this mess with their "them/us" pissing on trees. Their big spending, their bridges to no where. We need a government that will work together and right now we need a strong leader because if we don't have one, Russia is going to put is our place or the place they have always felt we needed to be.

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Russian navy sails to Venezuela

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    ... do people not realize the US gets a good chunk of its oil from Canada?
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    ^ Plain and simple, no.

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    Then it's time to DECLARE WAR ON CANADA LOLOL.

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    hmm, so what would be the solution? Sending troops? Oops, they're over in Afghanistan, Iraq, or in the ground dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    ... do people not realize the US gets a good chunk of its oil from Canada?
    tell that to the people standing in line to get gas.

    People don't want to think our world will ever change, they refuse to see what they don't want to see. Mr.Canada do you realize how much oil the U.S. uses? More than our fair share and I don't see it changing. We are looking for different sources of energy we are not even thinking about cutting back.

    Iraq was over oil, Georgia is over oil and Venezula is over oil because oil runs this country. In Atlanta people are worried about getting to work while others find a gas station with gas and fill up 10 gallon drums for their own use. It's a panic here. The rest of the U.S. says "wow I saw that" Panic or real it's going to grip all of the U.S. eventually until we get a real plan one that does not depend on foreign countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleWasHere View Post
    Then it's time to DECLARE WAR ON CANADA LOLOL.
    thank you for your brilliant input. Wanna send me some gas, or how about bailing our country out of it's present financial crisis, wanna tell Russia to send their war ships home?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaPeach View Post
    tell that to the people standing in line to get gas.

    People don't want to think our world will ever change, they refuse to see what they don't want to see. Mr.Canada do you realize how much oil the U.S. uses? More than our fair share and I don't see it changing. We are looking for different sources of energy we are not even thinking about cutting back.
    Then maybe you should?

    Iraq was over oil, Georgia is over oil and Venezula is over oil because oil runs this country. In Atlanta people are worried about getting to work while others find a gas station with gas and fill up 10 gallon drums for their own use. It's a panic here. The rest of the U.S. says "wow I saw that" Panic or real it's going to grip all of the U.S. eventually until we get a real plan one that does not depend on foreign countries.
    Well maybe if you had invested in alternative energies (ones NOT a total socialist government subsidy to the corn industry like, say, ethanol) that made sense, the whole energy crisis wouldn't be a big problem.

    It's also silly that there are almost NO efforts at conservation even at this point. People still want their office towers lit up at night and stores blazing light and doors open with the AC running while driving their huge-ass SUV's around.


    thank you for your brilliant input. Wanna send me some gas, or how about bailing our country out of it's present financial crisis, wanna tell Russia to send their war ships home?
    It's really hard to have sympathy, and really.. Russia can send its warships wherever it likes just like yours are sitting in the persian gulf. Venezuela only accounts for what.. 10-20% of the US's imported oil?
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    ^^ 15 %

    Russia can send it's warships wherever it likes and it can invade Georgia over oil and it can back the terrorists as well.

    Thing is Mr.Canada warships in Venezuela is considered an act of aggression. Chavez wants to sever it's ties to the U.S. with the backing of Russia.

    I am aware that the U.S. uses to much energy compared to the rest of the world, we also used to much water compared to the rest of the world. When you tell someone to cut back they laugh and say there is no problems, it's Republican b/s.. this it until they are waiting in line at the gas pump.

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    .. russia is backing which terrorists? can't be the ones in afghanistan, the US was backing those in the 80's.

    Warships in Venezuelan waters is not a sign of aggression, the two have closer ties than venezuela does with the US.. same with cuba, which for some reason is still under some silly embargo

    Americans will quickly catch on once tghey simply can't drive anymore, and there are rolling blackouts. That's just how it'll have to be.
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    The Russians are trying to get Venezuela's oil just the the U.S. tried to get Venezuela's oil, only they're using a different method.

    The U.S. attempted a coup in Venezuela to overthrow Chavez. Instead of negotiating with them like adults, the U.S. tried to take control via a staged coup. Like most U.S. foreign policy, it "worked" (and I use that term loosely) in the very, very short term, but BACKFIRED LIKE HELL in the long term. This is how anti-American terrorists are created-- not because the U.S. represents democratic freedom, but because they feel the U.S. destroys democratic freedom.

    Imagine if, because another country didn't like our President and wanted our oil, tried to come into the U.S., remove the President, install their own President, and take over our government? What if they tried to undermine the system of government we agreed upon in this country just because they wanted to march in here and take control just so they could have cheap gas at the pumps, so they wouldn't have to wait in long lines at home?

    The people being exploited and attacked would begin to hate whoever was orchestrating this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    .. russia is backing which terrorists? can't be the ones in afghanistan, the US was backing those in the 80's.
    Also I think it's important to note that some would argue that Israel is a terrorist state, and that some of the aid we send that country, Israel then uses to fund a militaristic junta in Burma. And they're our ally. Really, the whole "they back terrorists and we stand for all that is holy and mighty" angle is kinda played out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lurkur View Post
    Imagine if, because another country didn't like our President and wanted our oil, tried to come into the U.S., remove the President, install their own President, and take over our government? What if they tried to undermine the system of government we agreed upon in this country just because they wanted to march in here and take control just so they could have cheap gas at the pumps, so they wouldn't have to wait in long lines at home?

    The people being exploited and attacked would begin to hate whoever was orchestrating this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaPeach View Post
    When we went into Iraq people were ticked b/c we didn't find any WMD's (weapons of mass distruction). The Hollywood elite said "Bush just wants oil" At this point I can now see why he would go into Iraq because of oil. He saw the big picture. American's were not let in on our energy crisis because in fact if we had been told, being Americans we wouldn't have believed him.

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Russian navy sails to Venezuela
    That makes no sense. Invading another country to steal their oil is NEVER justified, whether it's the U.S. or Russia. And the bigger issue is why Bush, and other politicans, haven't pushed for America to move AWAY from our dependence on oil, both foreign and domestic. Because the real truth is that 1) oil prices are going to continue to spike because the supplies are running out, worldwide, due to the high demand, and 2) why should we keep getting oil from countries that hate America, and some of those countries use that oil money to support terrorists.

    The sooner Americans realize that our dependence on oil is creating a lot of our problems, the sooner we can start moving to alternative energy sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    The sooner Americans realize that our dependence on oil is creating a lot of our problems, the sooner we can start moving to alternative energy sources.
    I realize it. What can I do about it, though? Take the bus? Only if I want a 2-hour commute each way. It's not feasible. We need our cars, our cities are built for them. We just need to figure out another way to run them.

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    I bet Palin is standing in her backyard, waving.
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