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Old December 28th, 2005, 12:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Canada blames U.S. for gun violence
Toronto shooting is latest death in a record year

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

"I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

"What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence.

"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.

Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.

Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.

"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.

The escalating violence prompted the prime minister to announce earlier this month that if re-elected on January 23, his government would ban handguns. With severe restrictions already in place against handgun ownership, many criticized the announcement as politics.

Martin, who says up to half of the gun crimes in Canada involve weapons brought in illegally from the United States, raised the smuggling problem when he met with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in October.

Martin offered his condolences in a statement Tuesday, saying he was horrified by the shootings.

"What we saw yesterday is a stark reminder of the challenge that governments, police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities do not descend into the kind of rampant gun violence we have seen elsewhere," Martin said.

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, says the number of guns smuggled from the United States is a problem, but that Canada has a gang problem -- not a gun problem -- and that Canada should stop pointing the finger at the United States.

"It's a cop out. It's an easy way of looking at one symptom rather than addressing a whole disease," Thompson said.

Two suspects were arrested and at least one firearm was seized soon after the shootings Monday. Kyriacou said it was an illegal handgun.

Three females and four males were injured, including one male who is in critical condition. Police believe they were bystanders.

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Old December 28th, 2005, 09:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The guns are American, but the kids doing the shooting are Canadian. That's because of the following reasons:

1) Sorry, but 99% of the people plugging each other in Toronto are black. It's a racial/cultural issue that community needs to address and NOW. I don't give a flying fuck about feeling 'disenfranchised' or 'bored' or every other lame-ass PC fucktard reason the hang-wringers throw up as a defense. Plenty of other people feel like that, and don't resort to spending a few hundred on a piece and shooting the fuck out of each other. That argument is bunk. These kids are in gangs, and the gangs are at war, and there are almost no repercussions which is why they're so brazen with their actions. The gangs need to be smashed, the people locked away till they die, and then the whole area bulldozed and turned into an amusement park. The people in those neighborhoods need job training and career choices, but that won't stop all of it. It's easier to sell crack than do something with your life.

2) Our laws are a joke. They get a slap on the wrist for carrying a gun, and hell.. they can get out on bail for 4 years! Anybody caught with a gun should get 10 years, no parole. Anybody using a gun in a crime gets life, no parole. Period. It's not fucking brain surgery.

3) Packages should be X-rayed at the border, and cars searched on the street. Fuck racial profiling and all that PC bullshit. If its 99% black guys shooting each other and innocents, then fucking pull over 99% black guys. If it was white guys, pull them over. Chinese, them too. Laotian, Indian, wtf ever. You look where the most instances of this are happening, and to hell with all these idiots saying "it's unfair!". It's not, its concentrating your investigative powers in the place thats the center of guns and gangs, and demonstrably so. Again, not rocket science.
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Old January 1st, 2006, 04:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree Grimm. I'm surprised about how lacking the Canadian gun laws are. I don't think it's wise for the Canadian governemnt to lack off on gun issues just because there are'nt that many guns in possesion like in the US. I dont know how there prison system is up there but if the person commited a crime (with a gun or otherwise) then they should pay some time in jail, that's the only way to keep these gun-happy punks off the street.
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