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Old February 18th, 2008, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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People signed the back of a sculpture, reading “Newborn” in English, at its unveiling on Sunday in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo.


PRISTINA, Kosovo — The province of Kosovo declared independence from Serbia on Sunday, sending tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians streaming through the streets to celebrate what they hoped was the end of a long and bloody struggle for national self-determination.



Kosovo’s prime minister, Hashim Thaci, left, shaking hands with President Fatmir Sejdiu in Parliament on Sunday.

Kosovo’s bid to be recognized as Europe’s newest country — after a civil war that killed 10,000 people a decade ago and then years of limbo under United Nations rule — was the latest episode in the dismemberment of the former Yugoslavia, 17 years after its dissolution began.
It brings to a climax a showdown between the West, which argues that Serbia’s brutal subjugation of Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian majority cost it any right to rule the territory, and the Serbian government and its allies in the Kremlin. They counter that Kosovo’s independence is a reckless breach of international law that will spur other secessionist movements across the world.
As Albanians danced in the streets and fired guns in the air in the capital, Pristina, international reaction was sharply divided, suggesting that the clash between the principles of sovereignty and self-determination was far from resolved.
Britain, France and Germany were expected to be the first to recognize the new nation as early as Monday, while other nations, fearing separatist movements within their own borders, have said they will refuse. Russia demanded an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council to proclaim the declaration “null and void,” but the meeting produced no resolution.
The United States and additional European Union member states were expected to recognize Kosovo’s independence in the coming days.
President Bush, speaking in Tanzania, said the United States would continue to work to prevent violence in Kosovo, while reaching out to Serbia. He said that resolving the conflict in Kosovo was essential to stability in the Balkans and that “the Serbian people can know that they have a friend in America.”
In declaring independence, Kosovo’s prime minister, Hashim Thaci, a former leader of the guerrilla force that just over 10 years ago began an armed rebellion against Serbian domination, struck a note of reconciliation. Addressing Parliament in both Albanian and Serbian, he pledged to protect the rights of Kosovo’s Serbian minority. “I feel the heartbeat of our ancestors,” he said. “We, the leaders of our people, democratically elected, through this declaration proclaim Kosovo an independent and sovereign state.”
Kosovo, a desperately poor, predominantly Muslim landlocked territory of two million, has been a United Nations protectorate since 1999, policed by 16,000 NATO troops. Its unemployment rate is about 60 percent and average monthly wage is $250.
Electricity is so undependable that lights go out in the capital several times a day. Corruption is rife and human trafficking threatens to entrench a lawless state on Europe’s doorstep.
Ethnic Albanians from as far away as the United States poured into Pristina over the weekend, braving freezing temperatures and heavy snow to dance in frenzied jubilation. Beating drums, waving Albanian flags and throwing firecrackers, they chanted: “Independence! Independence! We are free at last!”
A 100-foot-long birthday cake was installed on Pristina’s main boulevard.
In an outpouring of adulation for the United States, the architect of NATO’s 1999 bombing campaign against Serbian forces under President Slobodan Milosevic, revelers unfurled giant American flags, carried posters of former President Bill Clinton and chanted, “Thank you, U.S.A.” and “God bless America.”
Hundreds of people, many waving Albanian flags, celebrated in Times Square. Revelers in cars drove in circles around the area, leading chants whenever they passed the crowds gathered on the sidewalks.
That spirit of exaltation contrasted sharply with the despair, anger and disbelief that gripped Serbia and the Serbian enclaves of northern Kosovo. In Belgrade, Serbia’s capital, as many as 2,000 angry Serbs converged on the United States Embassy, hurling stones and smashing windows.
In the Kosovo Serb stronghold of Mitrovica, a grenade was thrown at a United Nations building, the police said. No one was injured.
Vojislav Kostunica, the prime minister of Serbia, which has regarded Kosovo as its heartland since medieval times, vowed that Serbia would never recognize the “false state.”
In an address on national television on Sunday, he said Kosovo was propped up unlawfully by the United States and called the declaration a “humiliation” for the European Union. The Serbian government has ruled out using military force in response, but was expected to downgrade diplomatic ties with any government that recognized Kosovo.
Demonstrations were planned for Monday in Serbian enclaves across Kosovo. Serbs said they were under orders from Belgrade to ignore the independence declaration and remain in Kosovo to keep the northern part of the territory under de facto Serbian control, raising questions about Serbia’s long-term aims.
At the Security Council, Russia argued that the proclamation violated the 1999 resolution that established the United Nations mission in Kosovo. “Our position is that the declaration should be disregarded by the international community and declared null and void,” said Vitaly I. Churkin, Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations.


People in Pristina gathered in the streets to celebrate. Some waved flags, danced in jubilation and fired guns in the air.


Police officers in Belgrade, Serbia, carried away an injured colleague during clashes outside the United States Embassy.

But Alejandro D. Wolff, the deputy American ambassador, said, “In our view, this declaration is logical and consistent and completely in line with” the 1999 measure.
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon pleaded with all parties “to refrain from any actions or statements that could endanger peace, incite violence or jeopardize security in Kosovo or the region.”
The Security Council agreed to a request by Russia and Serbia to hold an open meeting on Monday that will be addressed by the Serbian president, Boris Tadic.
Kosovo’s declaration followed nearly two years of United Nations-sponsored negotiations between it and Serbia. Those talks failed, as did a Security Council effort in December to resolve Kosovo’s future.
The European Commission, the European Union’s executive branch, appealed for calm, while NATO’s secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said the alliance would respond “swiftly and firmly against anyone who might resort to violence.”
Kosovo’s sovereignty remains severely circumscribed, making it reliant on the international community. NATO still provides international security, while the European Union has agreed to send an 1,800-strong police and judicial mission to help run the territory after the United Nations leaves.
Ulrich Wilhelm, the spokesman for the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said Germany would decide what to do on Monday.
Kosovo played a central role in the collapse of the Yugoslav federation built by the Communist strongman Josip Broz Tito, who died in 1980. Albanian nationalism erupted in Kosovo in 1981, leading to bloody clashes.
In the 1980s, Mr. Milosevic used Serbs’ enormous sense of grievance that their ancestral heartland was now dominated by Muslim Albanians to come to power in Serbia. By 1989, he had abolished Kosovo’s autonomy, fired tens of thousands of Albanians from their jobs, suppressed Albanian language education and controlled the territory with a heavy police presence.
Ten years ago, Mr. Milosevic’s forces moved against the rebel Kosovo Liberation Army, killing a guerrilla leader and his family at their compound. As violence escalated, NATO intervened in a 1999 bombing campaign, causing hundreds of thousands of Albanians and Serbs to flee.
An estimated 10,000 civilians were killed in the 1998-99 conflict, many of them Albanians, while 1,500 Serbs died in revenge killings that followed.
For the ethnic Albanians who make up 95 percent of Kosovo’s population, independence marks a new beginning.
“Independence is a catharsis,” said Antoneta Kastrati, 26, an Albanian from Peja, who said her mother and older sister were killed by their Serbian neighbors in 1999. “Things won’t change overnight and we cannot forget the past, but maybe I will feel safe now and my nightmares will finally go away.”
In Mitrovica, a 70-year-old Serbian engineer who would give only his first name, Svetozar, said: “I will stay here forever. This will always be Serbia.”
Kosovo’s declaration created immediate ripples in the former Soviet Union, where small, Russian-backed separatist areas — one in Moldova and two in the republic of Georgia — have existed since the early 1990s. Two of them — Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia — announced their intention to seek recognition as independent states.
Conversely, several of the European Union’s 27 member states — including Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania — oppose recognizing Kosovo because they fear encouraging secessionist movements within their own borders.
In Brussels, officials were drafting a statement for a foreign ministers’ meeting on Monday. Senior European Union officials said they expected it to acknowledge Kosovo’s independence declaration without explicitly endorsing it.
The declaration of independence raises the prospects of a new constitution and emblems of nationhood, including a new flag bearing a map of Kosovo topped by six stars.
But in a sign of how hard it will be to forge the kind of multiethnic, secular identity that foreign powers have urged, the distinctive two-headed eagle of the red and black Albanian flag, reviled by Serbs, was everywhere Sunday, held by revelers, draped on horses, flapping out of car windows and hanging outside homes and storefronts across the territory.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/wo...ed=2&ref=world
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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An Islamic State in the heart of Europe. Biggest. Mistake. Ever.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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*eyeroll*

Here we go again, they'll start killing each other any second now. This time, can we please just let them wipe each other out and get it over with.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 08:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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An Islamic State in the heart of Europe. Biggest. Mistake. Ever.
Yep. And a mistake that never could have happened without the US pushing for Kosovo to declare its independence. I, for one, can't wait to see the mess that will come of this!

(Fuck, Bush just has to politically destabilize the whole PLANET. I bet he can't even find Kosovo in a map).
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Old February 19th, 2008, 10:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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^^ Uh, it was Bill Clinton that got the US and the world involved in the Serb conflict, not Bush. Don't you remember the pics of Hillary and Chelsea over there with Sheryl Crow? UGH.

Bush is just a fool for recognizing their independence.
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^^ Uh, it was Bill Clinton that got the US and the world involved in the Serb conflict, not Bush. Don't you remember the pics of Hillary and Chelsea over there with Sheryl Crow? UGH.

Bush is just a fool for recognizing their independence.
Yes, I remember that. Part of the reason I can't stand the Clintons.

I was just referring to the latest mess.
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Um, I believe it was a UN mandated mission that the US took part in.. wasn't just you guys over there
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Yes, but Clinton wholeheartedly supported the mission. My dumbfuck bro was on his way over there in the 90s but somehow got out of it. Dickhead.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 05:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Yep. And a mistake that never could have happened without the US pushing for Kosovo to declare its independence. I, for one, can't wait to see the mess that will come of this!
agree. most retarded idea ever to grant kosovo independence, for about a 1000 different reasons.
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Agreed.

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Yep. And a mistake that never could have happened without the US pushing for Kosovo to declare its independence. I, for one, can't wait to see the mess that will come of this!

(Fuck, Bush just has to politically destabilize the whole PLANET. I bet he can't even find Kosovo in a map).
I bet Bush can't even say Kosovo or spell it for that matter.
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You guys, I know you all hate Bush, but this one is not his fault. Blame Clinton and the UN. Bush was just dumb enough to support them.
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^^ Bush is too dumb to be a president. He's causing havoc around the planet and he's too stupid to even realize it. For god sakes the guy can't even say nuclear correctly.
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^^ Uh, it was Bill Clinton that got the US and the world involved in the Serb conflict, not Bush. Don't you remember the pics of Hillary and Chelsea over there with Sheryl Crow? UGH.

Bush is just a fool for recognizing their independence.
Uh, we stood around and watched people be slaughtered in a three way war for four years before the UN/Nato got involved.

The war broke out in 1991. There was a genocide happening, women being gang raped, I remember quite well- Nato went in in 1994, and Bill Clinton sent the US air strikes in on Aug 30, 1995 the war ended on September 15- two weeks of the US being there, and the war ended. Pretty good results. It was a quick precise military victory for the US, and it stopped the genocide.

Very similar to what is happening in Darfur right now. We needed to stop the violence then, just as we need to stop the violence in Darfur now.

Were the Balkan people not entitled to Nato/US protection, or protection by the world community because some of the ones being slaughtered were Muslim?

There are actually times when military intervention is owed to the innocent people being slaughtered. Some wars are right.

Bill Clinton has been out of office for 7 years, and the war in the Balkans has been over for 12 years. It's not right to lay Kosovo declaring thier independance now at Clinton's door. Bush has to recognize them, as the UK, Germany and France had already recognized, and the rest of the EU would as well
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OKAY... What the fuck does the UN and Clinton have to do with current events in in the Balkan region now????? That is the most retarded shit.
This is a horrid shit storm and I would prefer it not be because I know and care for many people living over there.
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