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Old November 29th, 2005, 06:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Canadian Govt. Falls in No-Confidence Vote By ROB GILLIES, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 11 minutes ago



Canadian politicians will hit the campaign trail this holiday season after opposition parties seized upon a corruption scandal to bring down the minority government of Prime Minister Paul Martin in a vote of no confidence.

Monday's loss means an election for all 308 seats in the lower House of Commons, likely on Jan. 23. Martin and his Cabinet will continue to govern until then.

The Conservative Party teamed up with the New Democratic and Bloc Quebecois parties to bring down the government, claiming the ruling Liberal Party had lost its moral authority. Recent polls have given the Liberals a slight lead over the Conservatives, with the New Democrats in third place.

The same surveys suggest the Bloc Quebecois would sweep the French-speaking province of Quebec, making a majority government unlikely no matter which party wins the most seats.

Martin is expected to dissolve the House of Commons on Tuesday and set a firm date for the elections. Canadian law sharply restricts the duration of the campaign.

"The vote in the House of Commons did not go our way," Martin said. "But the decision of the future of our government will be made by Canadians. They will judge us."

Martin has had frosty relations with the White House, standing by the Liberal Party decision not to support the U.S. invasion of Iraq. He also declined to join in Washington's continental ballistic missile shield, infuriating the Bush administration, has been called weak on terrorism, and was vocal in his opposition of high U.S. tariffs on Canadian lumber.

His push to legalize gay marriage throughout Canada also raised the hackles of Republicans south of the 49th parallel, but Martin is widely respected worldwide for Canada's neutrality and open arms toward immigrants and minorities.

Canada's Conservatives, by contrast, are seen as much more receptive to improving relations with Washington, though a majority of Canadians opposed the war in Iraq and the policies of President Bush.

Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper favors tax cuts and opposed Martin's successful bill to legalize same-sex marriage throughout Canada. He would become prime minister if the Conservatives receive the most seats in Parliament.

"This is not just the end of a tired, directionless, scandal-plagued government," Harper said after Monday's vote. "It's the start of a bright new future for this country."

The opposition is banking on the public's disgust with a corruption scandal involving the misuse of funds targeted for a national unity program in Quebec.

An initial investigation absolved Martin of wrongdoing, but accused senior Liberal members of taking kickbacks and misspending tens of millions of dollars in public funds.

The government ran into peril this month when it lost the support of the New Democratic Party, whose backing earlier this year helped Martin escape a previous no-confidence motion by a single vote. New Democrat leader Jack Layton said he had not received enough assurances the Liberal Party would fight the increased use of private health care in Canada.

Martin appears prepared to take his chances with a holiday campaign and blamed his opponents for any inconvenience to the predominantly Christian electorate.

The prime minister had promised to call an election within 30 days of the release of a follow-up report on the corruption scandal. The document is expected Feb. 1, which would have meant elections in the first week of April, a time that suits Canadians better than the bitterly cold and busy holiday season.

Although no formal agreement is in place, all the parties are likely to agree to a pause in the campaign around the Christmas and New Year holidays. The campaign is expected to start Tuesday, after Parliament is dissolved.

Unemployment in Canada is at a 30-year low and Canada runs a budget surplus.

Andrew Stark, a political science professor at the University of Toronto, maintained that the campaign would not be decided until the final days. Stark, however, believes the Conservatives will win a minority government if Canadians view another Liberal and New Democrat coalition as being unaccountable with tax money.

The last time a Canadian political campaign coincided with the holiday season was in 1979, when Joe Clark's minority Conservative government was toppled just weeks before Christmas. That vote was delayed until February, however, when Pierre Trudeau and the Liberals took back Parliament.

The latest collapse comes 17 months after an election that turned a Liberal majority into a fragile minority on June 28, 2004.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 06:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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please, please tell me the liberals are going to replace paul martin with a leader who's less of an opportunistic asshole!!!
i definitely don't want to see the alliance, uh, i mean the 'conservative party', win the next elections...
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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow this could get interesting...
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wow this could get interesting...


Trust me Chonesy,

Canadian governments and interesting don't go together.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Trust me Chonesy,

Canadian governments and interesting don't go together.
Politesse - thanks for the warning - nice to see you here.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't follow Canadian politics much but this seems like a bombshell (well in the terms of what's going to happen next) - any insight from the Canandian board members? What's going on?
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Old November 29th, 2005, 09:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Long story short:

Back in 1995 Quebec held a referendum to seperate, and lost by .5% of a percentage point or something. Assholes.

ANyway, after that, the Liberal government in power at that time (under different leadership) created a 'promote canadian unity' program in order to keep that from happening again. about 250 mil was to be used to do exactly that, but it mostly ended up in the coffers of ad companies that had connections to said leadership, and no work was ever really done.

Fast forward to last year...

This all comes out in the wash, so the Liberal leadership at the time calls in the Mounties for an investigation, and has a Justice appointed to investigate the whole deal to see what happened, with whom, and when. People get rightly pissed off, and the Liberals only manage to form a minority gov as a result, as an election was being held at the time.

The Prime Minister says "we'll hold an election again, if you like, when the investigation is over and everybody knows what's what." The fuckbag conservatives say "fuck that, we're not waiting because by then we wont have a shot at grabbing power" and then the retard socialists decide that hey.. tagging along with the neocons might be our only chance of getting near the prime ministers office!

So they brought down the gov last night, but people are kinda looking at the neocons and thinking "The PM said he'd call an election when the investigation was done, which is in another 2 months.. wtf is the rush?" and it basically looks like theyre trying to grab for power.. which is exactly what theyre trying to do.

That, plus having an election over christmas that the neocons FORECED probably wont do them any favors, and we'll probably end up exactly where we are today.. with a liberal minority gov.

People aren't going to vote conservative, because the conservatives are assholes and have been quite vocal in their bigotry, support for Bush in his stupid war, and are pretty homophobic (they'd get rid of gay marriage the instant they got in, despite the supreme court). It's a case of "stick with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know."

Personally, I think it's good that the Liberals called in the Mounties and got someone to start an investigation into mistakes the past leadership made, it shows transparency. Would the neocons do it in their place?

Fuck no. Neocons are neocons, they'd do what Bush is doing now. Pretend it didn't exist, and then attack anybody who suggested otherwise.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 09:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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My 1,000th post ought to be on an important issue, and since I'm
Canadian, it wouldn't hurt to correct some of this article.

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Martin is expected to dissolve the House of Commons on Tuesday and set a firm date for the elections. Canadian law sharply restricts the duration of the campaign.

"The vote in the House of Commons did not go our way," Martin said. "But the decision of the future of our government will be made by Canadians. They will judge us."
Throwing himself on the mercy of the woefully uninformed.

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Martin has had frosty relations with the White House, standing by the Liberal Party decision not to support the U.S. invasion of Iraq. ....

Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper favors tax cuts and opposed Martin's successful bill to legalize same-sex marriage throughout Canada. He would become prime minister if the Conservatives receive the most seats in Parliament.
None of our politicians fill the electorate with confidence.

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The opposition is banking on the public's disgust with a corruption scandal involving the misuse of funds targeted for a national unity program in Quebec.
It wasn't so long ago that people in our gov't invested $900,000,000 Cdn
in pension funds in Mexico. The investment, whatever it was, went
sour...but they shrugged it off. Mexico! Why has there been no
investigation? Couldn't you find a safer country to invest in?

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Unemployment in Canada is at a 30-year low and Canada runs a budget surplus.
B.S. This is a shell game that the ruling Libs have learned from
American neocons. In Canada today it is merely harder to qualify
for unemployment insurance and the benefits run out sooner;
ergo, technically, fewer people are receiving unemployment checks
and therefore, fewer people are unemployed. NONSENSE.

This statistic does not include those who are "discouraged workers,"
i.e. not looking for work and under the social radar.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 09:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It's politics as usual.The Martin government was a minority government because there was no other strong candidate to vote for.

Prime Minister Martin was finance minister during the previous government that was plagued by corruption . Even though at least 100 million dollars were grafted in an advertising campaign during his ministry, he didn't have a clue . Right!

So, he squeaked into government by one vote. Since then he has literally
spent the last 17 months trying to stay in power. Even though he was officially absolved of any wrongdoing Canadians suspect he knew everything that was going on .

The general consensus is that there will be another minority government
run by the Conservatives who will win because Canadians are pissed off.

The bottom line is that Canadians have no real strong candidate to vote for but are sick of the Liberals who have been in power too long and are flagrantly corrupt and arrogant in their governing.

The other issue is Quebec, one of our provinces.It has been threatening to separate for a long time and the separatist party will probably be in power there no matter what minority gov't runs the country.Quebec has been threatening to run away from home since I can remember.

OK? I'm confused now. It's politics as usual. Graft,power and corruption.

Canadians will foot the bill for another election to vote in a minority govt.
which will focus on surviving politically instead of looking after the country.

Same old. Canada has been lacking a strong leader since Trudeau(the 60's and 70's.

Wish us luck!
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and you said this wasn't interesting? sounds no different than american politcs... no better, no worse.
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Oh wow. Tangled little web indeed. Thanks to all of you who laid it out. I was so lost when I read it in the paper.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 09:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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and you said this wasn't interesting? sounds no different than american politcs... no better, no worse.

Of course not................

We watched The Three Stooges too.It's all about morons.

I'm talking for myself here ..........tired of politics and politicians.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 01:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think the NDP just fucked themselves. If the Tories get elected, their whole platform goes straight out the goddamned window. I'm praying for a Liberal majority!
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Old November 29th, 2005, 01:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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And we can't forget the billion, yes billion dollar cluster-fuck that is the Gun Registry.

Yes us Canadians do have guns, lots and lots of them, and all the legal owners have registered...but I am kinda thinking the criminal types forgot to.

What a stupid fucking idea...$1,000,000,000.00 and growing...

So, the Fiberals are a bunch of lying, thieving scumbags.

The Conservatives/Reformers are a bunch of Mini-Bushes... gays are evil, abortion is a sin, blah blah fucking blah.... more bible-thumping bullshit

Talk about a rock and a hard place... we have NOBODY to vote for...
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Like Grimm said:

"Stick with the devil you know than the devil you don't"
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