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    Thumbs up Toronto evict families with gang ties from public housing

    Good I say. My tax dollars should not be spent on you, who would tear down my neighborhoods with your petty thuggery.

    Toronto Community Housing is attempting a mass eviction of families they say have street gang links in a bid to clean up the troubled Jamestown neighbourhood.

    But some of those targeted are fiercely fighting the move before the Ontario Housing Rental Tribunal. Within the past year, TCH has served notice to leaseholders of 13 units in the Jamestown complex in Rexdale and there are likely more to come.

    Some tenants have already moved out on their own. "They got the notice of termination and they left without challenging. Others have challenged," said Steve Floros, the corporation's director of property management.

    And city-owned TCH is perfectly within its right to evict tenants when lines are crossed, Floros added.

    "Our concern is, `What is the activity that's taking place on our property, what's the impact on the greater community,' and our remedy, like any other landlord, is to turn to the tribunal and say, `This is the issue, this is the tenants' involvement, and we're seeking a remedy which is eviction in some cases.'"

    It's a different scale of justice than in a criminal proceeding, he explained. "When you go to the tribunal, it's a quasi-legal hearing. It's based on the balance of probability – unlike criminal law, (which is) based on (proof) beyond a reasonable doubt."

    TCH "can proceed even if the charges are thrown out," he continued. "We don't have to wait for the disposition of the case."

    Last week, a lawyer representing eight leaseholders appeared before an adjudicator arguing the approach – used in Los Angeles to quell gang violence – is unfair and penalizes families of alleged criminals who have not yet been convicted of a crime. The case resumes March 12.

    "The assumption is that the whole family is guilty, the whole family is condoning and promoting this behaviour," said John Sawdon, executive director of the non-profit Canadian Training Institute, which runs "gang exiting" programs that help young people leave gangs.

    "When there are some single moms who are trying to work two, three jobs to give her kids a living and may not have been home, may not be aware (of criminal activity) and what you've done with just one broad stroke is condemn and convict everyone of them," he said.

    Sawdon said the move signals there is a "new protocol with TCH (that) if you're charged with gang affiliation or a crime related to gang involvement, your family immediately gets an eviction notice."

    But Floros denied there's a new edict that a gang-affiliated family must go. "There's no new protocol, it's covered under the Tenant Protection Act, it's something that all landlords can refer to if there's an illegal act on or about the residential premises.

    "We exercise that very carefully. ... We don't want to be throwing out people, our intention is to be corrective not punitive wherever possible ... trying to take action that benefits the entire community," Floros said.

    While the agency has previously ordered evictions connected to police gang sweeps, notably 1994's Project Impact in Scarborough which targeted the Malvern Crew, these are believed to be the largest such evictions.

    After the raids in Jamestown last spring, Chief Bill Blair described the Jamestown Crew as "a sophisticated criminal organization that preyed on neighbourhoods, using violence to intimidate law-abiding citizens." Over the years there were numerous shootings in the area and some residents were afraid to leave their units because of rampant drug dealing. Police reported hearing applause the day of the raids.

    Gillian Whyte, whose 19-year-old son, Carlyle, was among the 100 people arrested during the police raid last May, part of Project XXX, explained yesterday why she doesn't see it that way as she stood in the foyer of her three-bedroom unit in the Jamestown complex. On the wall, damaged during the police raid, is a sign with a small poem entitled "Happy Home." She received her eviction notice last July and is among those fighting to stay.

    Whyte has been told by TCH she must move even though her son, who faces drug and gun possession charges, is under house arrest somewhere else and no longer allowed to live under her roof. She and her teenaged daughter, who remain, must "pay for what something my son is accused of doing."

    Police also arrested Anthony Durrant, 20, found sleeping in her basement with a gun. Whyte said she had no idea about the gun and had never heard of a gang's existence until after the raid. "I don't have a metal detector at the door. How am I supposed to know the kid had a gun in the basement?" she said.

    And parental authority – and watchfulness – only goes so far, she said. "You can't be following your kids around, you can't always know what they're doing," Whyte said. TCH told her police disclosure suggested there were drugs all over the house, including cocaine, crack pot and ecstasy and spent bullet casings and shells for different calibre weapons.

    TCH has offered to move Whyte and her daughter to another housing complex near Jane and Finch, but she's resolute. "I'm not going there." She says she's lived there peacefully for 10 years and said "nobody has a problem with my son around."

    Poor people are bearing the brunt, she said. "If you have a house and your kid does something wrong, the bank doesn't take your mortgage away."

    A few rows of housing away, Sainab Mohmud, whose two sons Abdirzak Omar, 20, and Abdiaziz Omar, 21, and were arrested last May, is struggling with the prospect of eviction. She's not sure where she and her four children will go if forced to leave. She does her best to make her points in English but is clear: If the justice system decides her sons did anything wrong, she knew nothing about it. "I don't know a gang," she said.

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    Good, maybe when they are thrown out on their asses in the Canadian winter they'll pay more attention to parenting their brats, but I won't hold my breath.

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    I don't think it's fair to convict an entire family for the crimes of one person. While it's easy to blame the parents for the conduct of their "brats" it's not always their fault. Shockingly enough teens happen to have minds of their own and often go out and do things their parents wouldn't approve of. They have friends their parents don't know about. They have secrets and lead lives they don't talk about with their parents. Should parents & siblings then pay for that teen's stupidity?

    I've known several families with great parents who were involved & cared about their kids who ended up with rebellious out-of-control teens. They worked their butts off trying to get their teens back on the straight & narrow. It wasn't neglectful parenting that got them where they were.

    So I take issue with all parents being labelled 'bad', and all teens who are bad with having 'bad' parents. And I take greater issue with an entire family being labelled and cast out because of the actions of one member of the family.

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    WTG Toronto!

    western, it may be harsh, but I firmly believe that in the grand scheme of things if this was the standard M.O. it would serve as an overall improvement. If there really do exist *several families with great parents who were involved & cared about their kids who ended up with rebellious out-of-control teens* then maybe there comes a point where some tough love is in order in the form of cutting ties and formally relinquishing them to the state for the good of the rest of the family and the community.

    If any family is going to be involved with continually enabling that person's behavior...which is almost always the case, even where there are good intentions...they are in a sense asking (i.e. forcing) the rest of the community to continue to be victimized by these monsters. Being afraid to stick your head out the door in your own neighborhood and having your kids either be victimized or made to be felt like they had to be a part of that shit is IMO ten times more of an outrage than an entire family being labelled. Fifty years ago you didn't see as much of this shit because people actually felt SHAMED by having a family member who was a criminal/killer/other fuck-up and would disown their ass.
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    Good, evict them.

    Sorry, but I feel the bigger issue is what's the impact on the greater community NOT what's the impact on this family and that family.

    Don't punish those who are law abiding with having to live next to gangsters. If your kid is a gangster and you can't get control of them, turn them over to a bootcamp program or reform school. Don't give some bullshit excuse for why they should be able to stay because you don't want to be punished. It's your kid - you accept the consequences and pack your shit if you won't get control of your child or the situation.
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    It's a great plan, it should go even further though. They need to root out those that have 4-5 grown hustling men squatting in their subsidized houses while drawing government assistance for 15 kids, and stop allowing generational handouts.

    There's this place near where I live in Tacoma Washington that has 4-5 generations of welfare/section 8 recipients living in the apartments and houses which were in a state of squalor, and recently they renovated the entire thing and gave the original dwellers first dibs at the new digs and it was shown on local TV as this great awesome thing. They showed grown ass women crying "I grew up here and I think it's important that we get to stay so my kids can grow up here too." They also built brand new actual houses inside the development to try and make it un-ghetto and gave families that already lived off the government first crack at the houses for really really cheap.

    If you, your sister, auntie, mom, and grandma each have their own tax payer funded house something is WRONG. You need to get your ass a job. You need to get your ass some birth control. You need to get your ass some SELF control.

    The biggest crime against humanity is our treatment of the poor- those that are truly in need get trampled on and those that are crafty soak up the benefits and learn the ins and outs and maximize their subsidized lifestyles.

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    If you, your sister, auntie, mom, and grandma each have their own tax payer funded house something is WRONG. You need to get your ass a job. You need to get your ass some birth control. You need to get your ass some SELF control.

    The biggest crime against humanity is our treatment of the poor- those that are truly in need get trampled on and those that are crafty soak up the benefits and learn the ins and outs and maximize their subsidized lifestyles.


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    Good! It's about time.
    There was a story that made news last year and it was the gunning down of
    a 19yr old boy in a neighborhood park.The guy lives with his mother with both of his two kids. He dropped out of school, could never keep a job, and so started dealing drugs.
    The whole time i was watching the news. I couldn't help thinking if i were the mother i will be ashamed and embarrassed to come on camera not to talk of admitting to some of the things that they accused the son of.

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    I couldn't help thinking if i were the mother i will be ashamed and embarrassed to come on camera not to talk of admitting to some of the things that they accused the son of.
    See, you just don't understand: he's really a good kid deep,deep, deep, down and the police are just picking on him. You know the other guy started it (snark).

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