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    Wow Janet! that gave me goossebumps reading that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    I was living in SoCa when this happened and I remember crying, maybe I was the only one of my friends that saw that although this was a freedom, it was also a freedom to be poor, homeless and unemployed. Nothing that my friends (American) understood.

    I cried again this morning when I hear a former E German saying that her children didn't have a secure future now. The wall was a bad thing, but the capitalism that replaced it isn't all that wonderful.

    Since the fall of the Iron Curtain we've (the family) have all been back to see where my Opa & his family were from.
    This is true. No American I know would bat an eye. Yes,the price for making your own decisions and the freedom to run your own life may have some drawbacks. You can't be lazy or just coast if you want to get ahead. You are not owed a living from cradle to grave without contributing your fair share & more. Still,the sheer joy of what possibilities lie ahead and looking down a wide open road is worth the price,IMO. Some of those people with former "secure futures" have made fortunes by now,doing creative wonderful things that would have been a hopeless dream under communism. Those that would prefer life mapped out for them instead of making their own decisions,good or bad have got to be rare.
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    And most of the eastern block countries are now owned by either western corporations or the mafia.... At least to start with (except for the mafia). No American I've seen has even thought of that, least of all acknowledged it.
    What Americans (and other capitalists - we have them here too) need to realise - and I thought that there were going to for a moment when their stock market crashed... but its all "business as normal" again now; is that there are more economic systems than Capitalism & Communism, there are things in the middle that help every member of society... like socialised medicine.... hummmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Erm... So what about Korea, Pakistan, India, etc etc etc....... There is still a nuclear threat and the world is MUCH more volitile IMO now.
    Well... if Pakistan and India blow each other up, hopefully it'll just be each other. (Ssshh! Ruining my sense of security here!)

    True about the "things in the middle". An economic system should be the best of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katerpillar View Post
    Well... if Pakistan and India blow each other up, hopefully it'll just be each other. (Ssshh! Ruining my sense of security here!)

    True about the "things in the middle". An economic system should be the best of both worlds.
    Not if America keep bombing them...... idiots. Someone needs to read "how to win friends & influence people" instead of "how to alienate people"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Not if America keep bombing them...... idiots. Someone needs to read "how to win friends & influence people" instead of "how to alienate people"...
    My memory must be hazy-I can't remember the last time we bombed India...
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    OFFS Pakistan.
    It happens regularly, & is a really great way to piss off an allie that has little or no interest in staying an allie.
    And then the US is "surprised" when countries don't like its politics.

    Instability in Afghan war grows as US bombs Pakistan|20Sep08|Socialist Worker
    Outrage as US Bombs Pakistan Border Post, Killing 11 Soldiers - ABC News
    Obama to CIA: Bombs Away! No Let Up in US Drone Attacks - ABC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    OFFS Pakistan.
    It happens regularly, & is a really great way to piss off an allie that has little or no interest in staying an allie.
    And then the US is "surprised" when countries don't like its politics.

    Instability in Afghan war grows as US bombs Pakistan|20Sep08|Socialist Worker
    Outrage as US Bombs Pakistan Border Post, Killing 11 Soldiers - ABC News
    Obama to CIA: Bombs Away! No Let Up in US Drone Attacks - ABC News
    We know that. Seems to have a purpose-no matter how small. Not to condone it anyway. But the India part?
    And no,we are not surprised at anything Pakistan does. They are not fond of us any way you look at it. One of my former IT people-Canadian,Palistani & here for years on a work visa- making a ton of money,just could not expess enough how much he hated the US. While making money here hand over fist. Stange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Not if America keep bombing them...... idiots. Someone needs to read "how to win friends & influence people" instead of "how to alienate people"...
    Pakistan doesn't even have missiles capable of reaching the US, though. Last I heard, the maximum distance they can hit is about 2500 km away.

    Anyway, Australia probaby wouldn't be high on Pakistan's list of priorities.

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    The celebrations here were lovely. I really enjoyed the trip down memory lane in the past weeks.

    My father woke us up and we went to the wall. We looked at the people pouring out of that hole in the wall. They were so different from us, yet so similar. We were all brothers that night.

    Until we saw the bill. NO, just kidding. I'd do it all over again.
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