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    I've put this in "Issues" because it is IMO.

    Sorry, if you are not medically infertile and can conceive the old fashioned way then go and buy a turkey baster like my lesbian friends did - twice.


    'Socially infertile' may cause IVF overload
    JILL STARK
    January 3, 2010
    DOCTORS fear fertility clinics will struggle to cope with a surge in demand and patients could face lengthy delays in treatment as hundreds of single women and lesbians seek IVF following changes to Victorian legislation.

    Specialists expect that about 1000 women previously excluded from IVF because they were considered ''socially infertile'' will access treatment each year following a change to the law on January 1. This will take the number of women seeking treatment in Victoria each year to about 7000, stretching facilities to their limit and putting more pressure on the state's dwindling supply of donor sperm.

    Until now, single women and lesbian couples in Victoria had to travel interstate for IVF unless they could prove they were medically infertile.

    Adding to fears of lengthy delays, the wider access to IVF has come with greater restrictions for all prospective patients. Under the new legislation, all women and their partners are now being forced to undergo police and child protection checks before starting assisted reproductive treatment.

    Gab Kovacs, national medical director at Monash IVF, said fertility counsellors had to sign off every application and the clinic had employed extra staff to cope with the workload. No other Australian state or territory requires such checks.

    ''The system is not at all set up to cope with this new demand. We've had terrible trouble trying to get the police checks done. They're very slow in processing them and it can take several weeks because the police don't see the urgency about it. For these couples they need those checks done as soon as possible,'' Professor Kovacs said.

    ''The whole thing's been a bit of a fiasco. I don't think anywhere else in the world imposes these checks.''

    The Government introduced the system after the Victorian Law Reform Commission's review of fertility laws recommended people with convictions for serious sex or violence offences or who had children taken from their care should not have access to IVF.

    John McBain, a director at Melbourne IVF, said carrying out criminal checks on would-be parents was abhorrent. ''The Government understands that it makes no sense and that it won't protect a single baby but they don't want to be seen to back down,'' Dr McBain said. ''I don't see that babies born from assisted technology are any different from babies conceived naturally and I cannot for the life of me work out why it ought to be made more difficult for any couple or individual to have a child just because the Government has the capability to do so.''

    A spokesman for the Department of Human Services said he was not aware of any delay in processing police or child protection checks and the system was ready to cope with increased demand.

    However, Dr McBain said that, in the past few months, hundreds of patients had submitted applications for background checks in anticipation of the changes and had faced delays of up to six weeks. This jam would worsen as single women and lesbians sought treatment, he said.

    According to Victoria Police, the minimum processing time is 10 days. However, those who have lived overseas face longer waits as the law requires police checks from every country in which an applicant has resided in the past 10 years.

    The changes come into effect more than a year after the Assisted Reproductive Treatment Bill was passed by State Parliament. The legislation could not be enacted until the Government set up a system to deal with the increased demand for child protection checks.

    Other changes in the legislation allow lesbian couples to list the non-biological mother as a parent on their child's birth certificate, giving them more legal rights.

    Gay and lesbian groups have welcomed the new laws but are angry that single women and lesbians will be eligible for Medicare rebates on fertility treatment only if they are diagnosed as medically infertile.

    Sandra Dill, chief executive of Access Australia - an advocacy group for the infertile - said delays with police checks could be harmful for people with cancer who need to have eggs removed before chemotherapy. ''If those people can't fit into their next (IVF) cycle because they don't have a police check, then their choice is to risk dying or give up any hope of having a baby,'' Ms Dill said.

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    Adding to fears of lengthy delays, the wider access to IVF has come with greater restrictions for all prospective patients. Under the new legislation, all women and their partners are now being forced to undergo police and child protection checks before starting assisted reproductive treatment.

    Gab Kovacs, national medical director at Monash IVF, said fertility counsellors had to sign off every application and the clinic had employed extra staff to cope with the workload. No other Australian state or territory requires such checks.

    ''The system is not at all set up to cope with this new demand. We've had terrible trouble trying to get the police checks done. They're very slow in processing them and it can take several weeks because the police don't see the urgency about it. For these couples they need those checks done as soon as possible,'' Professor Kovacs said.
    10 days is fast in the UK checks can take 6-8 weeks.
    ''The whole thing's been a bit of a fiasco. I don't think anywhere else in the world imposes these checks.''
    well, DUH did you even bother to find out? Of course they do!!! Jeez what an idiot.


    I'm quite surprised that other parents undergoing IVF don't have these checks.... worringly so if I'm honest....
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Sorry, if you are not medically infertile and can conceive the old fashioned way then go and buy a turkey baster like my lesbian friends did - twice.
    I've always thought the same thing. I mean, jeez - surely it's better than paying a fuckton of money for the privilege of being poked with nasty-looking needles!

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    Um, why would any ethical doctor give IVF to fertile women? Insane.

    And outrageous invasion of privacy for prospective parents to endure. I had to do no such thing when I got knocked up with my first. And I got pregnant during wild youth unprotected sex, for goodness sake. Yet no one gave me any inquisition before they let me proceed with my parenthood. That is the most outrageous part of IVF in my opinion. Completely wrong.

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    Because they're single and or lesbians & using donar sperm...

    IVF parents have to put up with the police checks - adoptive parents have "references" written for them by ex partners; and many more indignaties. If you haven't experienced it you can't imagine how degrading it is, especially after having under gone the indignity of having all & sundry have access to your child bearing areas.
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    it seems unfair that as long as you're fertile, you can breed without anyone asking any questions and going through any kind of police check, yet if you're infertile suddenly you have to face the inquisition.
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