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    I have this friend of the family that loves to send out ridiculous emails. Ones like how Palin is actually more clever than we realize or how illegal immigrants are the bane of our nation etc. etc. etc.

    I usually ignore them but I got this one the other day and it sounds like warped propaganda to me but I was curious about the part about Switzerland. I always thought Switzerland didn't have guns? Anyone care to tear this apart so I can copy and paste it back?



    Gun History




    After reading the following historical facts, read the part
    about Switzerland twice



    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.. From 1929 to 1953,
    about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
    up and exterminated.




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    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1..5 million
    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.




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    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
    of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
    rounded up and exterminated.




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    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
    political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated


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    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
    Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated..




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    Uganda established gun control in 1970.... From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
    Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated




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    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. >From 1975 to 1977, one million
    educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    exterminated.


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    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
    because of gun control: 56 million.




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    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
    disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
    gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
    of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are 'citizens.'




    Without them, we are 'subjects'.

    During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
    most Americans were ARMED!

    If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message
    to all of your friends.

    The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
    defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
    important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is
    supplemental.




    SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!




    SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE...




    SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY

    CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!




    IT'S A NO BRAINER!




    DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS

    IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

    I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!




    If you are too,

    please forward.


    Just think how powerful our government is getting!




    They think these other countries just didn't do it right.




    Learn from history.

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    Variants of this have been around at least 10 years. Something gets debunked so they add more crap. The Swiss version is just the most recent.

    Debunking the Swiss are fab bits: Email: A Little Gun History | Media Matters Action Network

    debunking the original:
    snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

    Also, try Google.
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    The Swiss maintain personal arms, after undergoing military training. It's not like you just get a gun. It's a militia based concept. It's not every house, and it's not every Swiss citizen.

    And it wasn't the fact that the US had guns that stopped a Japanese invasion. There were some other small factors, like the size of the US, Japanese military capability, etc.


    Although, the poor Armenians could have used some weapons.
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    seriously?
    do your research, becky. google is your friend.
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    eta: just saw witch's post. military conscription is mandatory in switzerland. 4 months at 18 or after high school and then 3 weeks every 2 years until their early 40s. and yes, they're issued a gun, and a uniform. bit they're also trained while keeping in mind that they have a long tradition of neutrality and pacifism. not the same as "we need guns to be free!" a lot of americans believe. most swiss i know keep their weapon unloaded and locked up with their u iform, and don't keep ammo in the house. it's not seen as a weapon for personal use, just for military use.

    the whioe email is full of shit and misleading. like the bit about guatemala. gun control has nothing to do with it. in the years it mentions, the country was in the midst of a bloody civil war. and it's NEVER been difficult to obtain a weapon there either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    seriously?
    do your research, becky. google is your friend.
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    I posted it here because google is filled with this and that version. I usually don't go to google but snopes but I missed that so thanks.

    The reason I posted it here is that I thought some of the members were from Switzerland and might know firsthand.

    Thanks for the links.

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    and when you use google, you can't tell the difference between credible sources and propaganda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    eta: just saw witch's post. military conscription is mandatory in switzerland. 4 months at 18 or after high school and then 3 weeks every 2 years until their early 40s. and yes, they're issued a gun, and a uniform. bit they're also trained while keeping in mind that they have a long tradition of neutrality and pacifism. not the same as "we need guns to be free!" a lot of americans believe. most swiss i know keep their weapon unloaded and locked up with their u iform, and don't keep ammo in the house. it's not seen as a weapon for personal use, just for military use.
    If I remember correctly authorities monitor the ammo they give out to the militia too, to ensure no unlawful use, and after service is complete the guns are converted from automatics to semi automatics or self loaders, if the soldier chooses to keep it.

    I'm too lazy to Google, but that rings a bell. It's not the wild west, it's all regulated and controlled.
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    it's very tightly regulated, and if a man chooses to keep ammo, the army knows exactly bow much he has,etc.
    also they can choose to leave their weapon at the nearest arsenal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    and when you use google, you can't tell the difference between credible sources and propaganda?
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    no,it's become a fucking theme around here lately,every thread it seems.


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    Sorry for offending. I wanted to know from people who lived in Switzerland, sheesh.

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    I'm totally against gun control too. I just don't think its right that the governement is trying to control who has a gun. Meanwhile the criminals all have guns & law abiding citizens are the ones being targeted. As long as they use it responsibly there is no problem.
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