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    Australia in abortion pill vote (BBC News)



    Australia's Senate has voted to take control of a controversial abortion pill away from the government.
    The current system means the RU486 pill is effectively banned in Australia.
    Under proposed legislation, which now passes to the House of Representatives, the state medical regulatory body would decide when the pill can be used.
    Proponents believe that body, the Therapeutic Goods Administration, will follow the lead of other regulatory bodies around the world and allow it.
    The TGA approves or denies the use of all other drugs in Australia, but Parliament voted in 1996 to transfer the power of approval for RU-486 to the health minister.
    The present minister, Tony Abbot, is a Catholic strongly opposed to abortion.
    The Senate, or upper house, passed the legislation by 45 votes to 28.
    Supporters of the drug argue that it is a cheaper and less invasive method of abortion than surgery.
    But critics of the drug, which is already in use in 35 countries to terminate a pregnancy of up to 49 days, say it is unsafe and an elected official should be in charge of it.
    The new legislation provoked fierce debate.
    Lyn Allison, leader of the minority Australian Democrats, told the Senate she wanted RU486 to be available because she knew what it was like to experience a surgical abortion.
    "An estimated one in three women have had an abortion, and I am one of those," she told parliament.
    "It is galling listening to the men - and it is mostly men - who have such contempt for women who terminate unwanted pregnancies, who have neither the compassion nor the understanding of the huge and, for many, daunting task of taking an embryo the size of a grain of rice to adulthood."
    But Finance Minister Nick Minchin said he could not support the drug after his own experience with abortion.
    "I bring to this debate personal experience in that a former girlfriend of mine had an abortion when we were in a monogamous relationship," he told parliament.
    "I cannot divorce that experience in my life from this consideration."
    No date has been set for the House of Representatives vote, which is expected to be much closer, following Prime Minister John Howard's opposition.

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    Do they have the so-called morning after pill in Aus?

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    i thought RU486 was the morning after pill? you have something like 72 hours for it to be effective

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    Default Re: Ru486 Effectively Banned in Austrailia

    ^Yup. The writer of the article is perhaps letting a bit of bias creep into the story by referring to it as an "abortion pill".

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    No--RU486 IS the abortion pill.
    RU 486, which will be called mifepristone in this country, is a safe, effective method of abortion which can be used during the first nine weeks of pregnancy and may be a possible treatment for fibroid tumors, ovarian cancer, endometriosis, meningioma, and some types of breast cancer.

    Developed by Roussel Uclaf and available in France since 1988, this medical breakthrough until recently has been withheld from American women by anti-abortion politics. In 1994, the U.S. patent rights were turned over to the Population Council, a New York-based scientific research organization.

    For the past six years, the Feminist Majority Foundation has waged a highly publicized nationwide, public education campaign -- the Campaign for RU 486 and Contraceptive Research -- to bring RU 486 to the United States and to expand women's health care research. Our campaign, which has included the delivery of 640,000 petitions to RU 486 manufacturers, the mobilization of scientific and feminist support for RU 486, and constant communication with Roussel Uclaf.

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    OK, I was mistaken! So is the "morning after pill" something different?

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    ^^ No, it's the same thing. Abortion pill = morning after pill. And I hate Nick Minchin.

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    No, from my understanding it is different.
    With the FDA's approval of the abortion pill, RU-486, women seeking abortion now have an alternative to surgery. The FDA also recently approved the morning after pill, or emergency contraception. Although the abortion pill and morning after pill are very different medications, they are often confused. Below, two medical experts discuss the critical differences between these two new developments.

    How is emergency contraception different from the abortion pill?
    BEVERLY WINIKOFF, MD: Emergency contraception is taken after intercourse, but before a woman misses her period. So it is taken at a time when a woman doesn't know if she is pregnant or going to get pregnant. The pills are, at this moment, prescription pills, but they are actually the same formulations that are in normal contraceptive pills. There are two kinds. There is a combined contraceptive, which is Preven, and there is a levonorgestrel, or progestin-only contraceptive, which is called Plan B. Those are really the same as the pills in oral contraceptives. They are just your everyday contraceptives, but done in a different way so that women can take them after they have been exposed to potential pregnancy, but before they are pregnant.

    Mifeprex, or mifepristone, which is the early abortion pill, is taken after a woman is sure she is pregnant. She's already gotten a pregnancy test and it's positive. Those women have the option of ending a pregnancy very, very early using a medication rather than getting surgery.

    So the distinction between these is large and it's important that people understand that emergency contraception, which is the morning after pill, is not at all a medical abortion.
    RICHARD HAUSKNECHT, MD: Absolutely correct. And that distinction is really very, very important. These are two entirely different phenomena.

    BEVERLY WINIKOFF, MD: If you want to look at it in a simple way, you take the abortion pill when your pregnancy test is positive. You take emergency contraception, when your pregnancy test is negative.

    How many hours after sex is the emergency contraception effective?
    RICHARD HAUSKNECHT, MD: "Sooner is better than later" applies to emergency contraception, but most of the studies show that it is reasonably effective up through seventy-two hours.

    And what is the time frame for a medical abortion?
    RICHARD HAUSKNECHT, MD: Medical abortion in this country is approved up through forty-nine days of gestation, but once again we're talking about an already established pregnancy.

    So they are two completely different time frames.
    RICHARD HAUSKNECHT, MD: Absolutely. And there is an enormous amount of confusion, both in the media and among doctors and patients as to what the difference really is.

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    ^^ I haven't read the article yet, but I've always heard RU 486 referred to as "the morning after pill," the pill that's been used in France for many, many years already.

    So I just read the article, and I still don't see the difference, other than time-frame. What is RU 486? Emergency contraception or Mifeprex? Can you please simplify the post, Elise? That'd be quite conscientious, especially when you're posting something scientific to back up your argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elise
    No, from my understanding it is different.
    How? Please explain.

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    It's a moot point whether the pill is used 'the morning after' as an emergency contraceptive to prevent a possible pregnancy progressing or it is used once a pregnancy is established. Either way, the pregnancy is terminated.

    The Pro Lifer pollies don't want to be seen pushing their anti-abortion agenda too hard so they are saying instead that RU486 is potentially dangerous to the mother. Tony Abbott is a staunch Catholic (he trained for the priesthood at one time) and to be fair he has said he does not want to have the final say on RU486 because of his personal beliefs. Nick Minchin is a bloody idiot who bleats about 'his' experience with abortion - what about your girlfriend Nick? and if you are that concerned wear a fucking condom.
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    Here is a chart which I think outlines how they are different:
    http://www.freepregnancyhelp.com/ecp.html

    The morning after pill & RU486 are two completely different medicines.
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    ^^But that would mean taking some responsibility and we know that people like Nick only think OTHER people have to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O
    It's a moot point whether the pill is used 'the morning after' as an emergency contraceptive to prevent a possible pregnancy progressing or it is used once a pregnancy is established. Either way, the pregnancy is terminated.
    That's why I'm still confused. Is RU 486 Plan B and Mifeprex? Maybe I'm just particularly thick-headed today, but it seems that
    1) RU 486 is the chemical name for both PlanB and Mifeprex.
    2) RU 486 can be taken "the morning after" or used as an "abortion pill" once pregnancy is confirmed.

    If both above statements are true, then I still don't see any difference other than time-frame. Which says to me that "the morning after pill" and "the abortion pill" are THE SAME: RU 486. I guess I'm so confused because the article Elise posted mentioned Ru486 only once, and then went into some longwinded scientific mumbo jumbo.

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    Mifreprex & RU486 are the same thing: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/mifeprist.htm
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    ^^ But they're both chemically different from the morning after pill?? Is that what the chart indicates??

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