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    (CBS) The tsunami in Asia. This season’s Gulf Coast hurricanes. The earthquake in Pakistan. The Guatemala mudslides. The flooding in the northeastern section of the United States.

    There’ve been so many devastating natural disasters of late, it has some people wondering if God is angry at humankind.

    So The Early Show sought the opinions (video) of preacher Dr. Jerry Falwell, the founder, Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.; scientist-entertainer Bill Nye, The Science Guy; and humorist Andy Borowitz of The Borowitz Report.

    “I don’t think God’s mad at us,” Falwell began, in answer to a question from co-anchor Harry Smith. “God may be disappointed. But, God so loved the world that he gave his son, Christ, to die for all of us. I do think that, if you look at history, there’ve always been calamities and disasters. They just happened in the last few months to have been all at one time. …I do believe that God certainly is the owner, he’s the creator, he’s sovereign. Nothing happens without his direction or permission. I do not believe that God is mad at anybody, trying to hurt anybody. He could breathe, and we’d all be gone. The fact is that he is trying to get our attention.”

    Nye concurred in thinking it’s not that God is mad at us: “We have many, many people living on a small world. And we’re increasingly living near the coasts. So, when things go wrong, with the weather, or when you have an underwater earthquake, when you get a tsunami, people at the coasts are affected.

    “The other thing that’s going on in the Northeast of our country is we’ve paved over so many wetlands that now we’re not able to absorb floods the way we used to be able to. So we have to ask questions, is this really in everybody’s best interests, or should we make better decisions about land use, and so on.

    “It doesn’t seem especially unusual to me. We have about 1,000 measurable earthquakes a year. There’s an earthquake over 7 on the Richter scale every few weeks. So this is not especially unusual. What’s unusual is that so many humans are being affected by it.”

    Nye added an ominous note though, saying, “It’s just the start of things, in my opinion. Hurricanes are probably going to get stronger. If they don’t get stronger, that’ll be surprising. If you’re a betting voter and taxpayer, as there’s more heat energy in the atmosphere, you gotta figure hurricanes are gonna get stronger.

    “And then we have to do a better job of making buildings able to withstand earthquakes. As the old saying goes, ‘Earthquakes don’t kill people, buildings kill people.’ So, when you have these buildings built to, if you will, not Western standards, or the standards you have in a place like Japan, when there’s a strong earthquake, there’s a lot of trouble.”

    Humorist Borowitz had an entirely different path to the same conclusion about God’s current emotions, saying, “I don’t think God is mad. I think (N.Y. Yankee principal owner) George Steinbrenner is mad (about the Yankees’ early exit from baseball’s playoffs), but I don’t think that explains any of this, at all. I will say though, it is a bad sign when squirrels start thinking they’re puppies.”

    Falwell says he doesn’t think the world is ending anytime soon: “(Jesus) could come today. The mistake is made when people begin setting dates. Whenever somebody says he’s coming on a certain date, be sure he’s not, because Jesus said, ‘No man knows the day or the hour.’

    “The only thing that bothers me about all these terrible calamities is that we try to blame it all on the myth of global warming or, even worse, on George Bush, and I don’t think either one had a thing to do with it.”

    Nye took exception to that: “The world is getting warmer. Now, people can argue about whether or not humans are responsible, and whether or not individuals driving large vehicles in the richest country in the world are responsible. But the world is getting warmer.

    “And, as I say, if you’re a gambling person, if you’re a voter and taxpayer who’s concerned about the future you can, as they say in ‘The Music Man,’ ‘close your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge.’ Or, you can address it. We could, as we like to say, ‘have it all,’ if we started now. We could have renewable energy, and a much higher quality of life for people all over the world, if we got to work on it now.”

    Finally, Smith turned to Borowitz, asking where the blame lies.

    “I tend to blame Paris Hilton, for most things,” Borowitz kidded. “And I think we have a lot of agreement on that.”

    When Smith noted that her show, “The Simple Life,” had been cancelled, Borowitz said, “That is a positive sign for the future.”
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    The myth of global warming..... right...
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    Several big conferences I've been to lately it seems like the general consensus is that all this stuff is happening because we're getting near end times.

    Not saying I believe that but it seems to be what the religious folks are suggesting.

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    I love Bill Nye...I'm stuck on The eye of Nye on PBS!!!

    He's pure genius.

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    Bill Nye kicks ass. Falwell is an idiot.

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    IS GOD MAD AT US?
    yeah I talked to her today and she's pretty fucking pissed!

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    GAH.

    God's looking down on the earth and saying to him "get the shit off my land".


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    Time to move up north and buy some tundra.
    If I can't be a good example, then let me be a horrible warning.

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    Whatever happens is gonna happen. Our destiny, whatever it may be, will take place. Whether one believes in God, global warming, frickin aliens, whatever happens will happen. We just have to deal with it when it comes along. We can ponder why things happen (as Philosophy as done for years) What does it accomplish? In reality, we had a preexisting plan for humanity long before you and I came into existence. We are following evolution. Hopefully something can be gained from all this.

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    Because we like watching religious people wring their hands, run around with "The end is nigh!" signs on, and generally making foos out of themselves whenever a natural disaster hits.

    You think these are bad? Try the storms on Jupiter that could swallow this planet whole 50 times over.

    Puts a little perspective on it
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    Could it be we humans are destroying the planet? Naw!

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    I've always been puzzled why the God of the Old Testament seems to be a cranky so-and-so who smite and smote and sent plagues and floods and pestilence whenever anyone pissed him off, or even as a heads up. And the God of the New Testament, as personified by Jesus Christ is all peace and love and forgiveness. Maybe He's bi-polar or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    I've always been puzzled why the God of the Old Testament seems to be a cranky so-and-so who smite and smote and sent plagues and floods and pestilence whenever anyone pissed him off, or even as a heads up. And the God of the New Testament, as personified by Jesus Christ is all peace and love and forgiveness. Maybe He's bi-polar or something.
    Did you ever see "Hedwig and the Angry Inch"? I laughed so hard and agreed when Tommy Gnosis said that the thing Jesus came to earth to save us from was his pissed off father.

    I believe in God and I still have a hard time with the Old Testament. So much of it is so nonsensical and harsh.

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    I'm curious as to why atheists weigh in on this? If I was an atheist, I would just ignore this thread.
    Eh, I'm a fence-sitter and I started the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UndercoverGator View Post
    Did you ever see "Hedwig and the Angry Inch"? I laughed so hard and agreed when Tommy Gnosis said that the thing Jesus came to earth to save us from was his pissed off father.

    I believe in God and I still have a hard time with the Old Testament. So much of it is so nonsensical and harsh.
    Tommy: Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour?
    Hedwig: No. But I love his work.

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