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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post

    Grow up. Take responsibility for your lives.

    .. and STFU.
    Is this the same rhetoric that is coming from someone who believes that I should have to pay for someone elses health care via Hilary Clintons Universal Health Care mandate? Sounds like people who have no helath insurance should "take responsibility for their own lives", in as much as those black females who have been duped by the Planned Parenthood agenda (which, beleive it or not, was founded specifically to get rid of black children. Not white but black chirldren). It has evolved, obviously. If I care enough I'll find the original business plan for Planned Parenthood. Nah..I doubt feel like it. Just google it. You racist liberals slay me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    That could be said for ALL races. Last time I checked, every race could do a little house cleaning and throw out some of the baggage.
    Yeah, I shouldn't have said that, it's just that we've never seen the african race take ahold of itself in that particular way. Just saying. I think the white socialists developed policies a certain way, not to be racist, but because they're smart. The african americans never took a stronghold in that particular way. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieElizabeth View Post
    Yeah, I shouldn't have said that, it's just that we've never seen the african race take ahold of itself in that particular way. Just saying. I think the white socialists developed policies a certain way, not to be racist, but because they're smart. The african americans never took a stronghold in that particular way. Just saying.
    I don't disagree that there are things that black people in America as a group can do better as a community. But, on the other hand, back during the days of Jim Crow segregation, you had black people starting there own businesses, universities, etc to help propel the race forward. There was always that idea of self-reliance and moving the race forward. But somewhere after integration kicked in, that sense of community seemed to fade away.

    Not to mention, many of the civil rights/ discrimination policies in this country that help to protect ALL groups would never have been put in place had black people not been in the forefront taking the attacks, and beatings, police dogs, and so forth to force many of those white socialists to do the right thing. So, to say that blacks have never taken a hold of themselves in that way is misinformed. While blacks may not have been the ones writing some of these policies, we were the ones that helped to bring them into existence.

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    I think I will disagree on this matter. I think blacks have progressed a lot since the civil rights era. People seem to misunderstand, that wasn't that long ago. There was a phenomenal amount of progress within that short time. Minorities and oppressed groups in some other countries have been fighting thousands of years and still don't have the kind of stronghold that blacks in America have today. Instead of focusing on the "poor ghettos", take a look around at all the strong, black people that are at the forefront of our society today. We have a black man even running for President, thats a remarkable occurence that happened in the 40-50 brief years since the Civil Rights movement ended. I think they really have pulled it together. There are some legitimate issues within the black community (and I think most blacks would agree here), but I think if we were honest with ourselves, there are issues within any subculture and racial group that really need to be addressed. I don't see so many people picking on white trash, when I've encountered more illiterate backwards racist small-minded white trailer trash than I've ever encountered any black uneducated people pulling a race card.

    And about the race card - as a gay man, Grimm, you should know that the "gay card" gets pulled as well in this country, and its used more and more. Anytime a gay person gets beaten up, its always considered a "hate crime" even if theres none of those elements. It could be a random bar beating, but all of a sudden a man was targeted because he was gay - a little known fact that his attackers didn't even know. I've seen you talk about the oppression that gay people face often. Do you ever feel like you pulled the "gay card"? And its true that gay people have been oppressed, and I'm glad more gay people are fighting for their rights now. But come on, its just too easy to point out that "black people use the race card" like they are the only ones exclusively to do so. Not so long ago I had a gay man at the office who pulled the "gay card" and said it was discriminatory to fire him due to his sexual orientation (which wasn't the case, he was always late, rude, and belligerent to colleagues) and he scared administration into backing down. It happens all the time, its not exclusive to the black community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    I don't disagree that there are things that black people in America as a group can do better as a community. But, on the other hand, back during the days of Jim Crow segregation, you had black people starting there own businesses, universities, etc to help propel the race forward. There was always that idea of self-reliance and moving the race forward. But somewhere after integration kicked in, that sense of community seemed to fade away.

    Not to mention, many of the civil rights/ discrimination policies in this country that help to protect ALL groups would never have been put in place had black people not been in the forefront taking the attacks, and beatings, police dogs, and so forth to force many of those white socialists to do the right thing. So, to say that blacks have never taken a hold of themselves in that way is misinformed. While blacks may not have been the ones writing some of these policies, we were the ones that helped to bring them into existence.
    I was thinking that, too. The context of the 1960's and MLK Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    The easy way out. Spoken by somebody who has never been black a day in his life. Trust me, maybe it appears that black people can cry racism, and everything just magically works out, but the truth is a different story. True, you have some black people who do use the race card for their own benefit. But there are some white people who use the race card to their benefit, too. For example, if a black person gets a promotion on a job, some people will just say that they got it because they were black, and not even consider that the person was qualified.
    Yeah, that's the "they took our jobs" card, which I believe I covered...

    So, throwing down that race card is a weapon that not only black people use. And while it may appear effective for some, in the grand scheme it isn't. And in those instances when a black person successfully throws out the race card if somebody criticizes them, it's because they're able to tap into that white liberal guilt. If you don't have that white liberal guilt, then the race card won't work on you.
    True, but the "white liberal guilt" shouldn't apply if you've never done anything to foster racism. It's an inbuilt, expected knee jerk reaction and that's the only way the race card works
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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post
    Is this the same rhetoric that is coming from someone who believes that I should have to pay for someone elses health care via Hilary Clintons Universal Health Care mandate? Sounds like people who have no helath insurance should "take responsibility for their own lives", in as much as those black females who have been duped by the Planned Parenthood agenda (which, beleive it or not, was founded specifically to get rid of black children. Not white but black chirldren). It has evolved, obviously. If I care enough I'll find the original business plan for Planned Parenthood. Nah..I doubt feel like it. Just google it. You racist liberals slay me.
    K, if you can't see the difference between a universal health care system and THIS, you need to pull your blinders off.

    Something that benefits an entire society, that everybody pays into and that everybody can access vs. health care premiums that 140 million people cannot afford due to ridiculous self regulation by a capitalist business structure?

    No contest.

    And to attempt to link it to this discussion is fucking absurd.

    Secondly, it's funny.. the only sites i can find any instance of Planned Parenthood being accused of eugenics and racism are right-wing nutjob freakshow "Focus on the Family" christian shithead sites.

    Gee. Coincidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    I think I will disagree on this matter. I think blacks have progressed a lot since the civil rights era. People seem to misunderstand, that wasn't that long ago. There was a phenomenal amount of progress within that short time. Minorities and oppressed groups in some other countries have been fighting thousands of years and still don't have the kind of stronghold that blacks in America have today. Instead of focusing on the "poor ghettos", take a look around at all the strong, black people that are at the forefront of our society today. We have a black man even running for President, thats a remarkable occurence that happened in the 40-50 brief years since the Civil Rights movement ended. I think they really have pulled it together. There are some legitimate issues within the black community (and I think most blacks would agree here), but I think if we were honest with ourselves, there are issues within any subculture and racial group that really need to be addressed. I don't see so many people picking on white trash, when I've encountered more illiterate backwards racist small-minded white trailer trash than I've ever encountered any black uneducated people pulling a race card.

    And about the race card - as a gay man, Grimm, you should know that the "gay card" gets pulled as well in this country, and its used more and more. Anytime a gay person gets beaten up, its always considered a "hate crime" even if theres none of those elements. It could be a random bar beating, but all of a sudden a man was targeted because he was gay - a little known fact that his attackers didn't even know. I've seen you talk about the oppression that gay people face often. Do you ever feel like you pulled the "gay card"? And its true that gay people have been oppressed, and I'm glad more gay people are fighting for their rights now. But come on, its just too easy to point out that "black people use the race card" like they are the only ones exclusively to do so. Not so long ago I had a gay man at the office who pulled the "gay card" and said it was discriminatory to fire him due to his sexual orientation (which wasn't the case, he was always late, rude, and belligerent to colleagues) and he scared administration into backing down. It happens all the time, its not exclusive to the black community.

    No, I haven't. In actuality i've been on a protest line screaming back at an asian woman married to a black guy who were protesting gay marriage saying it was against god or some shit. I mean, if there ever was a case of historical amnesia that was it.

    And did everyone suddenly go blind? I believe i mentioned the RAPE card, the "they took our jobs" card.. as I said it's all the same deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    K, if you can't see the difference between a universal health care system and THIS, you need to pull your blinders off.

    Something that benefits an entire society, that everybody pays into and that everybody can access vs. health care premiums that 140 million people cannot afford due to ridiculous self regulation by a capitalist business structure?

    No contest.

    And to attempt to link it to this discussion is fucking absurd.

    Secondly, it's funny.. the only sites i can find any instance of Planned Parenthood being accused of eugenics and racism are right-wing nutjob freakshow "Focus on the Family" christian shithead sites.

    Gee. Coincidence?
    Nah...no coincidence. Why in the hell would a liberal site state the facts on what the real history of abortion and Planned Parenthood is? Kind of goes against their agenda, I would say the same way that posting the real history of PP goes for the conservative agenda. Let me ask you, in your search did you find any liberal site dismissing the "focus on the family" type sites and their stance that Planned Parenthoods actually has a racist beginning? If you do, get back at me on that.

    Again, Abortion and health care is all about self control and not putting yourself in postion where you need to resort to abortion or that you are caught without health care. Have a hereditary issue? Not my fault again. if it is that bad apply for SSI. If it is not, get a job and get the coverage you need.

    At the end of the day, it all has to do with the person taking responsible for their personal issues and needs. Be it not fucking around or placing your self in a postion where you have good helath care.

    Again, racist libs slay me.

    You sure as hell spend a lot of time on this site. Step outside for a minute and let the air touch your face. Maybe then you wont be such a bitter inconsistant person. (I am sure you get that a lot, but it bares repeating)
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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post
    Nah...no coincidence. Why in the hell would a liberal site state the facts on what the real history of abortion and Planned Parenthood is?
    Because unlike conservatives in the media, liberals are concerned with information being FACTUAL. Conservatives are concerned with information being CONSERVATIVE.

    Kind of goes against their agenda, I would say (the same way that posting the real history of PP goes for the conservative agenda). Let me ask you, in your search did you find any liberal site dismissing the "focus on the family" type sites and their stance that Planned Parenthoods actually has a racist beginning? If you do, get back at me on that.
    Well for one, I don't go on "liberal websites". Last I checked, there was no such thing. There are FACTUAL websites, and non factual ones. Conservatives tend to flock to and create the NON factual ones and those coincidentally seem to have a strong right wing christian crazy slant.

    Ie: Conservatives for creationism, the whole "liberal media" myth, and other such nonsense.

    Again, Abortion and health care is all about self control and not putting yourself in postion where you need to resort to abortion or that you are caught without health care. Have a hereditary issue? Not my fault again. if it is that bad apply for SSI. If it is not, get a job and get the coverage you need.
    Aww, and I bet you're all pro-life too.. escept till the kid is born , and then you don't care what happens to it. Health care is not about "self control". Tell me how you 'self control' malignant melanoma. Secondly, given that HMO's provide incredibly shitty coverage for ridiculous sums of money, it begs the question of why tens of millions of people cannot afford it. When a short hospital stay can bankrupt you, there's a problem.

    At the end of the day, it all has to do with the person taking responsible for their personal issues and needs. Be it not fucking around or placing your self in a postion where you have good helath care.
    LOL I love the little island of YOU that you live on. Your own personal, insulated bubble. Perhaps you'd prefer to live in a place where the only citizen is YOU? Hate to break it to you, but you live in a SOCIETY.

    Again, racist libs slay me.
    Again, right wing ideological, self absorbed ME ME ME repukes with an overinflated sense of their own worth and inability to discern propaganda from facts make me want to laugh.

    You sure as hell spend a lot of time on this site. Step outside for a minute and let the air touch your face. Maybe then you wont be such a bitter inconsistant person. (I am sure you get that a lot, but it bares repeating)
    LOL sorry you don't have the luxury of being able to post on here from work, but maybe some day they'll install a keyboard over the deep fryer for you. I also think it highly amusing that you're attempting to castigate me for being on a messageobard ON said messageboard. Talk about irony.

    Secondly, keep up the sadly common insults from the communal pool of unimaginative troll feces and you'll be kicked off here faster than you can say "PRAISE JEBUS". So far you're not blowing up my skirt, haven't said anything a thousand uninformed children haven't spewed before. Do better or make way for someone that can because right now you're pretty damn average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Yeah, that's the "they took our jobs" card, which I believe I covered...
    My point was that I was disagreeing with your assumption that black people can just magically make things easier in their lives by throwing down the race card.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    True, but the "white liberal guilt" shouldn't apply if you've never done anything to foster racism. It's an inbuilt, expected knee jerk reaction and that's the only way the race card works
    Isn't that what I said. If you don't feel any white liberal guilt, then the race card won't work on you. Not all white people have that liberal guilt, so if a black person throws the 'race card' out on them, it won't work on those people.

    Just like a white person of today shouldn't feel guilty about slavery, since they had no part of it, a black person of today shouldn't try to instill guilt in people since they weren't a slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post
    Nah...no coincidence. Why in the hell would a liberal site state the facts on what the real history of abortion and Planned Parenthood is? Kind of goes against their agenda, I would say the same way that posting the real history of PP goes for the conservative agenda. Let me ask you, in your search did you find any liberal site dismissing the "focus on the family" type sites and their stance that Planned Parenthoods actually has a racist beginning? If you do, get back at me on that.

    Again, Abortion and health care is all about self control and not putting yourself in postion where you need to resort to abortion or that you are caught without health care. Have a hereditary issue? Not my fault again. if it is that bad apply for SSI. If it is not, get a job and get the coverage you need.

    At the end of the day, it all has to do with the person taking responsible for their personal issues and needs. Be it not fucking around or placing your self in a postion where you have good helath care.

    Again, racist libs slay me.

    You sure as hell spend a lot of time on this site. Step outside for a minute and let the air touch your face. Maybe then you wont be such a bitter inconsistant person. (I am sure you get that a lot, but it bares repeating)
    Do you realize what you wrote? Abortion is all about not putting yourself in a position where you need to resort to abortion? Health care is all about not putting yourself in a position where you are caught without health care? Is that what Ron Paul told you?

    Haha, I love this. Let's see....don't let women to have access to abortions so babies are born in unhealthy impoverished situations, don't let people to have information about birth control so they can't prevent unwanted pregnancies, cut education funding so people have less opportunity to get a better job, endorse laissez faire business where corporations don't have to offer health insurance or fair wages..... but it's the poor people's fault that they're poor and we need to get the government off our backs!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    My point was that I was disagreeing with your assumption that black people can just magically make things easier in their lives by throwing down the race card.
    Well in essence they can, just like some chick can throw down the rape card, or someone can throw down the "dont fire me im gay" card.

    It can achieve outcomes or results that are not warranted.

    Isn't that what I said. If you don't feel any white liberal guilt, then the race card won't work on you. Not all white people have that liberal guilt, so if a black person throws the 'race card' out on them, it won't work on those people.
    Yeah, but a lot of the time the "white liberal guilt" thing doesn't crop up because of literal guilt.. it's almost like an assumed social taboo that if the race card gets played that you are socially responsible for bowing to it. That's a real crapper. Same with the rape card.

    Just like a white person of today shouldn't feel guilty about slavery, since they had no part of it, a black person of today shouldn't try to instill guilt in people since they weren't a slave.
    Yeah, exactly. Any card in that deck should not even exist but they do, which sucks for everyone involved. If throwing down that card DOES work, it immediately benefits the person that is disingenuously using it, but fucks over a lot of others in the process, ie the victim that gets hit with it or the social/race group it's affiliated with that would like nothing better than never having seen it used in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Well in essence they can, just like some chick can throw down the rape card, or someone can throw down the "dont fire me im gay" card.

    It can achieve outcomes or results that are not warranted.
    I'm not saying that the race card doesn't bring results. But you're trying to make the point that if a black person uses the race card that it magically makes things better. Maybe in some situations, but not in all. And as somebody who has been through jobs where I was being discriminated against, and had the written PROOF to back it up, I went through the proper channels and nothing was done and the discrimination continued. So, that blows that theory that the 'race card' magically makes things better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Yeah, but a lot of the time the "white liberal guilt" thing doesn't crop up because of literal guilt.. it's almost like an assumed social taboo that if the race card gets played that you are socially responsible for bowing to it. That's a real crapper. Same with the rape card.
    Okay, I'll give you that. From a societal point of view it seems that whites are suppose to feel guilty in respects to blacks. Just like men are suppose to feel guilty in respects to women.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Yeah, exactly. Any card in that deck should not even exist but they do, which sucks for everyone involved. If throwing down that card DOES work, it immediately benefits the person that is disingenuously using it, but fucks over a lot of others in the process, ie the victim that gets hit with it or the social/race group it's affiliated with that would like nothing better than never having seen it used in the first place.
    Yeah, I agree with that. But I'll take it one step further. If somebody just throws out the race or gender card to serve their own selfish interests, it also screws over the people who are genuinely going through some racial or gender discrimination. Because they get lumped in with the people using it for their own selfish purposes.

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    ^^ yeah, it basically screws with the impression
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