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    A pedagogue-diver assists a Dutch boy suffering from autism during a dolphin therapy session




    Swimming with dolphins is promoted as one of the few treatments that can help children with disabilities such as autism. But it should be banned because it is cruel to the animals and dangerous to patients, and there is no evidence that it actually works, a report from a leading conservation group says.
    The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society said that dolphin-assisted therapy (DAT) was “expensive and potentially harmful” and its call to end it has been endorsed by the charity Research Autism. Both say that the techniques exploit vulnerable families and captive animals and have no place in medicine.

    The therapy places patients at serious risk of injury from their contact with dolphins, which are wild animals that can be aggressive or harm people inadvertently because of their strength, the society found. They have been known to bite, ram and slap swimmers, to hold them underwater and to engage in sexual activity.
    The therapy also exposes people and animals to the risk of infection. Many dolphins carry bacteria that can infect human beings and some are infected with bacteria that cause brucellosis, which causes muscle pain.

    DAT raises stress among captive animals and encourages the removal of dolphins from the wild: 28 dolphins have recently been exported from the Solomon Islands to Dubai, reportedly for this purpose.
    All this costs the families of ill and disabled people thousands of pounds for therapeutic techniques that have never been found to be effective in proper trials.
    Cathy Williamson, the author of the report, said: “Having researched this industry the only recommendation we can make is that there is a total ban on DAT. This therapy involves vulnerable people and also exploits the dolphins, which are forced to interact with people in conditions that are far from suitable for wild animals.
    “We know that keeping dolphins in captivity has serious welfare implications for these animals, including a shorter life expectancy than in the wild, and we are saddened that the growing DAT industry is causing more and more animals to be subjected to a life in captivity.”

    Richard Mills, of Research Autism, said: “We understand that parents will wish to do anything that might potentially help their child but we would urge people to exercise caution when considering such an undertaking.” The charity’s website gives the treatment three exclamation marks, indicating a therapy with very strong evidence of harmful effects.
    Since the 1970s dozens of centres around the world have offered children and adults with a wide range of physical, psychiatric or developmental disabilities the chance to swim with, stroke and feed the marine mammals, usually in captivity but occasionally in the wild, at a typical cost of at least £1,500 for five 40-minute sessions. As there are no centres offering the therapy in Britain, and most are in the US, the cost to British patients can be much greater because of flights and accommodation.
    Dozens of British children have travelled to Florida and other foreign providers for treatment, often after local fundraising campaigns. The experience is claimed to improve social interaction, speech, mood, concentration and even movement and motor skills for people with conditions ranging from Down’s syndrome to muscular dystrophy.

    Swimming with dolphins ‘should be banned’ - Times Online
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    Interesting. I didn't know it was used this way, for therapy.

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    It should be banned. Dolphins should not be kept in often appalling conditions so that humans can entertain fantasies of swimming with them. There are lots of other kinds of therapies for autism that don't promote the suffering of intelligent mammals.

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    ^^ Word.

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    They have been known to bite, ram and slap swimmers, to hold them underwater and to engage in sexual activity.
    That doesn't sound very therapeutic.








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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    It should be banned. Dolphins should not be kept in often appalling conditions so that humans can entertain fantasies of swimming with them. There are lots of other kinds of therapies for autism that don't promote the suffering of intelligent mammals.
    Well said, we are so fucking selfish though, everything has to be for our benefit.

    (For "Our" I mean some humans, not all)

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    I have done this on two separate occasions, and no one in my group had a negative experience. It was beautiful. The most recent time was about 2 years ago with my family at the Mandarin Oriental in Hawaii. The dolphins came up and greeted us and then we got to ride on them. We held onto their fins and they pulled us through the water. Then, two of them came up under me and pushed my feet with their noses so that I was lifted out of the water with my arms extended and I rode like that through the lagoon. Afterwards, they gave us kisses, swam freely with us, and allowed us to pet and feed them. I have a beautiful picture of a dolphin kissing me on the cheek framed in my room.

    They are highly trained and docile, and I don't think this should be banned for people who are capable of respecting their needs. That being said, I can see how it could be dangerous for someone who is mentally impaired and not able to understand or follow the rules. We were instructed before our session that freaking out, splashing, or yelling could upset the dolphins. There was an age limit, because they didn't want any small children getting in the pool and getting scared or throwing a fit which could be dangerous for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    It should be banned. Dolphins should not be kept in often appalling conditions so that humans can entertain fantasies of swimming with them. There are lots of other kinds of therapies for autism that don't promote the suffering of intelligent mammals.
    I totally agree....

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    my son did this once years ago. he said the dolphin looked so sad and just didnt interact like they did in the shows (which i also hate) it affected him big time, he protests those things all of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by southernbelle View Post
    They are highly trained and docile
    SB, I would rather they are their crazy self out in the sea rather than trained/docile. That's awful grammar but you know what I mean?

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    Ban it. I have loved dolphins since childhood and have been fortunate to see them in the wild on numerous occasions whilst in Greece and Turkey. However, 5 years ago in the Dominican Republic I was persuaded to go on a dolphin experience at Manatee Park. I was in the first group to go in the extremely small pool with three young dolphins. I was absolutely and utterly horrified at the conditions these beautiful animals were kept in. The pool was smaller than those people have in their own gardens. I KNOW I shouldn't have gone in the water, but I did. A young female dolphin who was new to the park swam up to me to have her belly rubbed, I was very touched as she actively avoided the other 7 humans in the pool and stayed swimming around me. One by one we were taken for a "ride" by the largest of the three a young male. I was last to go, the dolphin seemed to be having a bit of fun by refusing to offer me his dorsal fin and was quite content to swim round and under me. Eventually he took me to the side of the pool where the photographer is waiting - the dolphin put his nose on my shoulder and looked at me ... really looked at me. I felt sick - it didn't take a genius to work out that he wanted out. I broke my heart when I got out of the water, so torn by being so close to these amazing creatures and wracked with guilt for giving in to the exploitation of the monstrous owners of Manatee Park. My husband filmed the whole experience followed by the show - its a soul destroying experience watching that film, the audience whooping and hollering at the dolphins playing music ... real nature behaviour or what?

    On our return to the UK I contacted the holiday company we travelled with to voice my objections and to give them a view of my film plus the research I did on my return. In 2002 when we visited the DR, 5 dolphins were captured off Cuba for use at Manatee Park - not one of those 5 (including the three I swam with) survived the holiday season.

    After all this time I still feel guilty for giving in to the commercialism, and should have left my own therapeutic experience of seeing dolphins in the wild as my dream come true. Its much nicer to see a dolphin pod swimming alongside your boat in the Aegean than playing a piano for a group of overweight, overbearing tourists.
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    Stories like that make me cry and want to strangle the people who think it's "fun" to torture these animals. If no one went to these "parks," they'd stop capturing the dolphins. For God's sakes, when we people open their fucking eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernbelle View Post
    I have done this on two separate occasions, and no one in my group had a negative experience. It was beautiful. The most recent time was about 2 years ago with my family at the Mandarin Oriental in Hawaii. The dolphins came up and greeted us and then we got to ride on them. We held onto their fins and they pulled us through the water. Then, two of them came up under me and pushed my feet with their noses so that I was lifted out of the water with my arms extended and I rode like that through the lagoon. Afterwards, they gave us kisses, swam freely with us, and allowed us to pet and feed them. I have a beautiful picture of a dolphin kissing me on the cheek framed in my room.

    They are highly trained and docile, and I don't think this should be banned for people who are capable of respecting their needs. That being said, I can see how it could be dangerous for someone who is mentally impaired and not able to understand or follow the rules. We were instructed before our session that freaking out, splashing, or yelling could upset the dolphins. There was an age limit, because they didn't want any small children getting in the pool and getting scared or throwing a fit which could be dangerous for everyone.
    I agree, animals can benefit with interaction from humans...as long as they are being treated fairly..what's so wrong if it ..if they can be treated fairly?That's like saying well don't own a bird because they are meant to be free, and some people abuse them. It isn't about ownership, it's about adding even more to that animal's life in a positive way, a way of giving back to yourself, and the animal..why not?

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    Yes, but they are almost never treated fairly. That is the problem. Do some research on Manatee Park in the Dominican Republic. I think you will find that it is basically a death camp for dolphins.

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    You are right about Manatee Park being a death camp for dolphins Pacific Breeze. We have lobbied Tui (Thomson Holidays) to stop promoting the dolphin swim excursion - they don't even bother replying as they are just too wrapped up in making money. We paid 50 US dollars each for the dolphin experience (8 groups of 8 people) 3 times a day ... you do the math, thats why it carries on.

    Another disturbing aspect of Manatee Park was the Andalucian horses. I work with horses and own my own and we were invited into the stables to meet the horses - they were kept in beautiful air conditioned stables, were definitely well looked after, very well fed and kep BUT ... one of the grooms asked me if I wanted to sit on one of the stallions whilst he was in his stable - how stupid. He then tried to put me son (who was then aged 3) onto the same stallion - the poor horse's eyes were nearly popping out of his head and I seriously worried for my child's welfare and that of the stallion.

    Words fail me now about Manatee Park - I just ask everyone who goes to the Dominican Republic NOT to go there and perpetuate the suffering of these animals. I fully appreciate the Dominican Republic is a very poor country but there are better ways of aiding the economy.

    Sorry rant over!
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