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Old August 18th, 2006, 12:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Scientist says Dolphins are dumber than Goldfish

JOHANNESBURG - Dolphins may have big brains, but a South African-based scientist says lab rats and even goldfish can outwit them.

Paul Manger of Johannesburg's University of the Witwatersrand says the super-sized brains of dolphins, whales and porpoises are a function of being warm-blooded in a cold water environment and not a sign of intelligence.

"We equate our big brain with intelligence. Over the years we have looked at these kinds of things and said the dolphins must be intelligent," he said.

"The real flaw in this logic is that it suggests all brains are built the same ... When you look at the structure of the dolphin brain you see it is not built for complex information processing," he told Reuters in an interview.

A neuroethologist who looks at brain evolution, Manger's views are sure to cause a stir among a public which has long associated dolphins with intelligence, emotion and other humanlike qualities.

They are widely regarded as one of the smartest mammals. But Manger, whose peer-reviewed research on the subject has been published in Biological Reviews of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, says the reality is different.

Brains, he says, are made of neurons and glia. The latter create the environment for the neurons to work properly and producing heat is one of glia's functions.

"Dolphins have a super-abundance of glia and very few neurons ... The dolphin's brain is not made for information processing — it is designed to counter the thermal challenges of being a mammal in water," Manger said.

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Manger said observed behavior supports his iconoclastic take on dolphins as dimwits.

"You put an animal in a box, even a lab rat or gerbil, and the first thing it wants to do is climb out of it. If you don't put a lid on top of the bowl a goldfish it will eventually jump out to enlarge the environment it is living in," he said.

"But a dolphin will never do that. In the marine parks the dividers to keep the dolphins apart are only a foot or two above the water between the different pools," he said.

Why not? Because, Manger says, the thought would simply not cross their unsophisticated minds.

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They jump through hoops at marine parks only because they have been conditioned to for a food reward — which may suggest the brain of a single-minded predator rather than a reasoned thinker.

"Dolphins can actually chain up to 16 stimulus response events, but this is indicative of good trainers and not intelligent animals. Stimulus-response conditioning is thought to be a low level of intelligent behavior," Manger said.

Manger also points to the tuna industry, which under consumer pressure has gone to great lengths to prevent dolphins from being caught and killed by accident in nets. "If they were really intelligent they would just jump over the net because it doesn't come out of the water," he said.

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Old August 18th, 2006, 12:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you don't put a lid on top of the bowl a goldfish it will eventually jump out to enlarge the environment it is living in," he said.

"But a dolphin will never do that. In the marine parks the dividers to keep the dolphins apart are only a foot or two above the water between the different pools," he said.
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"If they were really intelligent they would just jump over the net because it doesn't come out of the water,"
Obviously, they're not keen on jumping over partitions in the water, for some reason. I don't see how that is evidence that they're not intelligent. How many stupid goldfish have jumped out of a bowl & died? Why is that a smart thing to do?
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Old August 18th, 2006, 02:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you don't put a lid on top of the bowl a goldfish it will eventually jump out to enlarge the environment it is living in," he said.
This kept on happening to my gold fishies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They kept on dissapearing and one day I looked behind the dresser the tank was placed on and found some mummified dead fishies...
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Old August 18th, 2006, 04:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Yea, I was horrified one morning when I came across our 3 huge goldfish dead on the floor. Fish creep me out anyway but then finding them all stiff and dead....ewwwww


I was watching this show on one of the smart people channels the other day ( ) about dolphins who attack people. People grow up thinking all dolphins are like Flipper, get in a tank to 'swim' with the dolphins, and BAM! it's got a hold of your leg and slamming you into the wall of the pool. hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 03:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think this scientist is drunk. Don't they train dolphins
to defuse undersea torpedoes and such? They can't
train goldfish to do that.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 03:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I submit that the "scientist" is dumber than a goldfish. I bet he used a science pole and everything.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 05:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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They've actually discovered that dolphins have languages and dialects to communicate in the pod.

They can train a dolphin to problem solve on its own, dive for torpedoes, etc.

How many goldfish have saved someone from drowning?
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Old August 18th, 2006, 06:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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They should have compared the goldfish with Britney Spears. The "study" would be just as useless, but at least the "goldfish are smarter" part of it would be accurate.
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Old August 18th, 2006, 06:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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haha grimm are you talking about those mutated goldfish with the huge heads? Haha..I really do not understand how he came to this conclusion?
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Yes, where's the trained goldfish! I found the goldfish casualties funny though, mummified dead bodies behind the cupboard! hahah
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that is the stupidist thing ive ever heard! Who the hell are these so-called scientist any damn way!?!
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JOHANNESBURG - Manger also points to the tuna industry, which under consumer pressure has gone to great lengths to prevent dolphins from being caught and killed by accident in nets. "If they were really intelligent they would just jump over the net because it doesn't come out of the water," he said.

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This guy is a moron, they can't jump over the nets, because they get TANGLED UP IN THE NETS! That's one of the thing that nets do to catch things. Jeez...
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Yes, where's the trained goldfish! I found the goldfish casualties funny though, mummified dead bodies behind the cupboard! hahah
You want trained goldfish? Ta daa!!!
http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/t..._goldfish.html

The suicidal goldfish reminded me of the movie Amelie.
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Which university did this dumbass supposed "scientist" go to? What an arse
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ecco the dolphin saved the world! thats one smart dolphin
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