Go Back   Gossip Rocks Forum > Daily Life > Pets and Animals


Login to remove all ads!
Old October 29th, 2009, 05:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
Honey
Elite Member
 
Honey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: England
Posts: 26,703
Default Is this haunting picture proof that chimps really do grieve?

United in what appears to be deep and profound grief, a phalanx of more than a dozen chimpanzees stood in silence watching from behind the wire of their enclosure as the body of one of their own was wheeled past.
This extraordinary scene took place recently at the Sanaga-Yong Chimpanzee Rescue Center in Cameroon, West Africa.
When a chimp called Dorothy, who was in her late 40s, died of heart failure, her fellow apes seemed to be stricken by sorrow.
As they wrapped their arms around each other in a gesture of solidarity, Dorothy's female keeper gently settled her into the wheelbarrow which carried her to her final resting place - not before giving this much-loved inhabitant of the centre a final affectionate stroke on the forehead.

Enlarge Chimpanzees appear to console one another as Dorothy is carried to her final resting place in a wheelbarrow

Locals from the village serve as 'care-givers' to the chimps - something hugely needed by the animals who are all orphans as their mothers were killed for the illegal bushmeat trade.
Hunters captured them as young babies, often still clinging to their mother's bodies, to sell as pets.
Until recently, describing scenes like this in terms of human emotions such as 'grief' would have been dismissed by scientists as naive anthropomorphising.

Enlarge On sale now: National Geographic

But a growing body of evidence suggests that 'higher' emotions - such as grieving for a loved one after death, and even a deep understanding of what death is - may not just be the preserve of our species.
Chimpanzees - as you can see in the November issue of National Geographic magazine, on sale now - and the closely related Bonobos maintain hugely complex social networks, largely held together by sex and grooming.
They have often been observed apparently grieving for lost family and tribe members by entering a period of quiet mourning after a death, showing subdued emotions and behaviour.
And such complex emotions are not the preserve of primates or even mammals. Just this month, for instance, Dr Marc Bekoff, an ethologist at the University of Colorado, reported evidence that magpies not only appear to grieve for their dead but carry out something akin to a funeral ritual.

In one instance, a group of four magpies took it in turns to approach the corpse of their dead comrade.
Two of the birds then flew off to return with a piece of grass, which they laid down by the corpse. The birds then stood vigil.
In fact, there is a large body of anecdotal evidence that corvids - the group of super-bright birds that include crows, magpies and rooks - engage in many sophisticated social rituals.
But the most famous nonhuman death rituals are those of elephants, who will often spend days guarding a dead body, gently prodding the remains with their trunks and giving the impression of being lost in grief.
Elephants are highly social, long-lived and intelligent animals, whose excellent memory is no myth.
It is perhaps unsurprising that the loss of a member of the clan produces an emotional reaction.
The evolution of human death rituals is lost in the mists of time. There is some evidence that now-extinct hominid species such as the Neanderthals appreciated the significance of mortality, burying their dead and even scattering the graves with flowers.
Seeing a group of chimpanzees, our closest relatives, apparently paying a sad and heart-rending tribute to their much-loved lost sister gives us, perhaps, a window on how this deepest and most fundamental emotion evolved in our own ancestors.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1223227/Is-haunting-picture-proof-chimps-really-DO-grieve.html#ixzz0VJhgjCRP
__________________

"How much fucking shit is there on the menu and what fucking flavour is it?"
Honey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
Chilly Willy
Elite Member
 
Chilly Willy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Trolltopia
Posts: 18,747
Default

I once saw a lemur grieve her dead child. It was very human and very touching. She actually raised her arms to the sky and bawled.
__________________
A pack of roving bitches
are said to be witches
all the way from hell
their leader is Mel.
-Effie-
Chilly Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
Wiseguy
Elite Member
 
Wiseguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,844
Default

They do look like they are grieving. Elephants also grieve when a member of the herd dies.
__________________
wait, did i miss something? who broke your wang?
Keneesha when she banged it up a mango tree until I fainted.
Wiseguy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
Chilly Willy
Elite Member
 
Chilly Willy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Trolltopia
Posts: 18,747
Default

Elephants even have cemeteries.
__________________
A pack of roving bitches
are said to be witches
all the way from hell
their leader is Mel.
-Effie-
Chilly Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
McJag
Elite Member
 
McJag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 21,237
Default

I really believe they do. Sad.
__________________
I didn't start out to collect diamonds, but somehow they just kept piling up.-Mae West
McJag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #6 (permalink)
Sarzy
Elite Member
 
Sarzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: England
Posts: 5,487
Default

I definitely think they do. That picture is sad. The expressions on their faces!
Sarzy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 10:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
Belt Up
Elite Member
 
Belt Up's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
I once saw a lemur grieve her dead child. It was very human and very touching. She actually raised her arms to the sky and bawled.
That's heartbreaking.
__________________
Viagra won't even get his dick up. At this point when he cums, it's just piss... *DIVA!
Belt Up is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 10:16 AM   #8 (permalink)
Laurent
Elite Member
 
Laurent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Out There
Posts: 15,744
Default

I do think animals feel just as much, if not more sometimes, than people do.

RIP, Dorothy.
Laurent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
ManxMouse
Elite Member
 
ManxMouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,590
Default

Well, it's stupid to think that we share 98% of our DNA with chimps but they can't feel grief. Where do we think our emotions evolved from, or did they just suddenly spring up spontaneously in human beings? Anyone who has ever had a pet knows that animals are capable of feeling love. Seems like a silly thing to debate.
__________________
Santa is an elitist mother fucker -- giving expensive shit to rich kids and nothing to poor kids.
ManxMouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
Pleiades
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 37
Default

I don't need empirical proof to *understand* animals emote....I believe they do and that's good enough for me.
Pleiades is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
Nightdragon
Elite Member
 
Nightdragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Funkytown
Posts: 1,818
Default

This is so touching, I truly do think they are grieving. So sad and so beautiful. RIP Dorathy
__________________
“Absinthe is the aphrodisiac of the self. The green fairy who lives in the absinthe wants your soul. But you are safe with me.”
Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula
Nightdragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 12:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
Brookie
Elite Member
 
Brookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,937
Default

What a memorable photo.
Brookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 12:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
ang
Elite Member
 
ang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: the salad bowl
Posts: 4,548
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
Well, it's stupid to think that we share 98% of our DNA with chimps but they can't feel grief. Where do we think our emotions evolved from, or did they just suddenly spring up spontaneously in human beings? Anyone who has ever had a pet knows that animals are capable of feeling love. Seems like a silly thing to debate.
i completely agree.

that picture & chilly's lemur story are making me tear up.
__________________
love is the miracle cure.
it's a boy...baby arlo is here!
ang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
Nevan
Silver Member
 
Nevan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 569
Default

At my old job, our building was on a very busy road in a big town, but within 100 yards (and beyond) there were ponds and lakes. For some reason, this mallard duck pair decided to camp out on the edge of our property near the road (no nest, so unsure why they picked there). Not long after, the female mallard was struck by a car and killed. The male mallard did not leave her side for days, until someone removed the body of his mate. If that's not grieving, I don't know what is.
Nevan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2009, 05:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
crumpet
Elite Member
 
crumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: If I was up your ass you'd know where I am!
Posts: 6,681
Default

Oh, for godssake, of course animals grieve, just like they feel love and anger. I honestly cannot fathom that anyone with a brain doesn't get that.
__________________
Only the good die young.........................
bitches like me live forever!!!!!!!!!!!!
crumpet is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chimps befriend dog and cat Honey Pets and Animals 0 June 27th, 2009 10:10 PM
A Haunting in Connecticut lisalucy69 Television and Movies 1 April 13th, 2009 04:24 PM
PROOF! Perez has photographic proof J-Lo is preggers... or really fat tkdgirl Latest Gossip 53 October 5th, 2007 04:25 PM
Revealed: The raunchy past haunting George Clooney's new girlfriend sharon_b Latest Gossip 31 September 27th, 2007 04:59 AM
The haunting parallels between the 'dingo baby' and missing Madeleine Honey News 0 September 14th, 2007 07:02 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8
Design by JP33