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    Quote Originally Posted by lori359 View Post
    OK I will give you that, however if you do not give your child the opportunity to TRY something how will they ever know if it is something they want to do?
    Do you consider the possiblity that putting your child into pageants to be judged on looks...and putting her into makeup and clothes that make her look 3 times her age...do you consider that these things might cause her to have an eating disorder in a few years? or to think shes ugly unless someone gives her a trophy?
    Telling a child that they are only beautiful if they are wearing makeup and given a trophy...thats just so wrong I feel ill just talking about these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCkissesx View Post
    Guess what you hypocrite. Every time you put (or rather, PUSH) your child out on that stage, you are opening her up to being JUDGED. She is judged on her 'talent', on her clothing and her LOOKS.

    Don't cry foul now! People are not criticizing these children, they're criticizing your ability (or lack thereof) as parents. AND the way these children are presented (hair extensions, heavy make up, short dresses, tanning products, peroxide) - they look like tarts.
    How am I a hypocrite? So your telling me that all the children on this planet who play sports or dance in recitals are "pushed" into doing something they dont really want to? SO therefore based on your brilliant theory of life there are billions of bad parents on this planet bc kids should never do anything that may institute a sense of competition?? I hate to tell you but everytime my kid walks into a classroom she is being judged by her peers, life is unfortunatly judgemental and there is nothing you can do about it. You are judged on your intelligance levels to whether or not your worthy of getting into the best colleges, you are judged on whether or not you deserve a certain job in life, life is about being judged, and about competition...hate to burst your bubble...let me be the first to welcome you to reality!
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    You are judged on your intelligance levels to whether or not your worthy of getting into the best colleges,
    and which school was that for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    k, the whole stormfront thing.. ol vinne there is all over a pile of nutjob christian sites bitching at them for being idiots.. and by reading the stormfront thing, it sounds like he's totally making fun of them lol

    the rest.. fuck it. we have lawyers now.
    Oh..well then MY BAD. I really do hope this is the case and he was just there making fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rica View Post
    Do you consider the possiblity that putting your child into pageants to be judged on looks...and putting her into makeup and clothes that make her look 3 times her age...do you consider that these things might cause her to have an eating disorder in a few years? or to think shes ugly unless someone gives her a trophy?
    Telling a child that they are only beautiful if they are wearing makeup and given a trophy...thats just so wrong I feel ill just talking about these things.
    OK first if you read my post I did state that we quit the make up type pageants....second my child has NEVER worn any type of clothing that is not age appropriate. See the issue there is it is up to the parent, the kid does not buy the clothes. And you are judging all pageant moms based on the bad apples who allow the bad in. Honestly I dont care how "ill" you feel bc from what I can see you are just showing how one sided you are. You do not even give fair shot to hearing from people who agree withyou to a point but have other views as well. You are very judgmental and that in itself is a very ugly trait. You act as if the only time these kids are appreciated by their parents is when they are competing..seriously??? pageants are not everyday! My child competed in maybe 1 pgt a month...we did not coach with anyone so the only time we were in "pageant mode" was the day of the said pgt, the other 29 days a month we were going to school, play groups, church, dance, cheer, sports, movies, parks...the NORMAL stuff children do. And about eating disorders..why would doing a pft cause her to have an eating disorder? She eats normal for her age, and I have NEVER made any comment to her about not eating anything bc she has to compete...sure there are crazy people in the pgt world, but their are people with eating disorders EVERYWHERE! She could never step on a stage and develop an eating disorder. Do your research most teens get stuck on them bc of tv, and PEER PRESSURE, so shall we ban all tv and lock our kids inside to protect them from the evils of reality?
    Life is short....drink up!

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    ^^But that implies that at some point in time you did do the makeup type pageants, no?

    and FYI, most teens do not get "stuck on" eating disorders because of TV.... they are complex psychological disorders which usually result from both a biological predisposition and an environmental trigger. That does not mean that your child will develop one, but basing her self worth on her looks alone can't be good for one's self esteem, can it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    is that size 14-16 or sized for age 14-16? Coz a kid that is size 14 is a little on the large side n'est pas?
    Careful; apparently you can call them "prostitots" and say they look like streetwalkers but you can't call them fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    k, the whole stormfront thing.. ol vinne there is all over a pile of nutjob christian sites bitching at them for being idiots.. and by reading the stormfront thing, it sounds like he's totally making fun of them lol
    Well, my apologies to vinnie if that's the case. I just hit stormfront and began frantically hitting the back button. I couldn't bring myself to read that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lori359 View Post
    OK first if you read my post I did state that we quit the make up type pageants....second my child has NEVER worn any type of clothing that is not age appropriate. See the issue there is it is up to the parent, the kid does not buy the clothes. And you are judging all pageant moms based on the bad apples who allow the bad in. Honestly I dont care how "ill" you feel bc from what I can see you are just showing how one sided you are. You do not even give fair shot to hearing from people who agree withyou to a point but have other views as well. You are very judgmental and that in itself is a very ugly trait. You act as if the only time these kids are appreciated by their parents is when they are competing..seriously??? pageants are not everyday! My child competed in maybe 1 pgt a month...we did not coach with anyone so the only time we were in "pageant mode" was the day of the said pgt, the other 29 days a month we were going to school, play groups, church, dance, cheer, sports, movies, parks...the NORMAL stuff children do. And about eating disorders..why would doing a pft cause her to have an eating disorder? She eats normal for her age, and I have NEVER made any comment to her about not eating anything bc she has to compete...sure there are crazy people in the pgt world, but their are people with eating disorders EVERYWHERE! She could never step on a stage and develop an eating disorder. Do your research most teens get stuck on them bc of tv, and PEER PRESSURE, so shall we ban all tv and lock our kids inside to protect them from the evils of reality?

    Can you please use paragraphs to make your posts more readable? one big wall of text just makes my eyes glaze over and i skip words...


    And I congratulate you, you obviously know boundaries and limitations and are thinking of your child. Many pageant mums dont.

    But I also think you misunderstand my meaning about the eating disorders; there are magazines and tv and movies and all the hollywood stars that are giving children the impression that you must be really thin to be beautiful, and that wearing slutty clothes and tons of make up is what makes you beautiful.
    By putting your toddler into a pageant, you are reinforcing these really fucked up views. Your telling your child "if you dont win, your not beautiful enough." And just because you dont SAY those words, doesnt mean your child wont get that impression. Adults often underestimate how intellgient and observant children are.
    Just because it happens elsewhere (eating disorders and image issues) doesnt mean that pageants are ok!!! They are definatly part of the problem!!
    Seriously look at the pictures in this thread that people have posted and said the girls look like whores. They DO look likes whores. You have to be in some serious denial to not see that.

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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYNymvtbWw4[/youtube]

    Wife Swap. The pageant family vs. the feminists. Part one of five.

    These people were also on Tyra.
    Tyra : Pageant Mom Insults Young Feminist's Love Of A Good Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by lori359 View Post
    How am I a hypocrite? So your telling me that all the children on this planet who play sports or dance in recitals are "pushed" into doing something they dont really want to? SO therefore based on your brilliant theory of life there are billions of bad parents on this planet bc kids should never do anything that may institute a sense of competition?? I hate to tell you but everytime my kid walks into a classroom she is being judged by her peers, life is unfortunatly judgemental and there is nothing you can do about it. You are judged on your intelligance levels to whether or not your worthy of getting into the best colleges, you are judged on whether or not you deserve a certain job in life, life is about being judged, and about competition...hate to burst your bubble...let me be the first to welcome you to reality!
    Um, how about you come down to reality? I'm not talking about dance recitals or sports. I'm talking about pageants. There is a difference.

    Parents push their child(ren) into the pageant world. These children start as young as three. They're groomed for that style of life.

    You're right. In life you do encounter judgment, but putting your child into a fickle pageant is one of those 'judgments' that can be avoided. You seem to have stopped dresisng your child like a prostitute and coaching her to act like a robot, so kudos I suppose.
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    Congrats, you've turned your daughter into a stupid spoiled Paris Hilton skank.

    This HAS to be fake. There's no way people like this actually exist.
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    She does. I found the Guataferro chick on the pageant boards.

    ETA. You can talk to her but it'll cost you. She takes Visa and Mastercard. Just like a phone sex chat line!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lori359 View Post
    How am I a hypocrite? So your telling me that all the children on this planet who play sports or dance in recitals are "pushed" into doing something they don't really want to? SO therefore based on your brilliant theory of life there are billions of bad parents on this planet bc kids should never do anything that may institute a sense of competition?? I hate to tell you but everytime my kid walks into a classroom she is being judged by her peers, life is unfortunately judgemental and there is nothing you can do about it. You are judged on your intelligence levels to whether or not your worthy of getting into the best colleges, you are judged on whether or not you deserve a certain job in life, life is about being judged, and about competition...hate to burst your bubble...let me be the first to welcome you to reality!
    You are judged on your intelligence levels to whether or not your worthy of getting into the best colleges, Not judged but tested, totally different. And deserving to go to a good college has nothing to do with attaining good exam results through study, obviously.
    you are judged on whether or not you deserve a certain job in life, Well, as someone that has recruited a lot of staff, I don't "judge" them, I ask questions and assess the answers to test their ability to do the job. Does someone deserve to be a surgeon? Hell no, but someone might be good at it if they work towards it. What someone deserves and what they get are two separate entities.
    life is about being judged, and about competition... Yes it is, so why subject a child to what appears to be a such stressful situation at such a young age? Why not let them enjoy their childhood a little longer? And thus build up personal reserves to deal with the rejection and perceived failure? Because what comes across to me is that winning is everything. That's it, competing has no merit in itself unless one wins - and that in both beauty pageants, sports arenas and dance competitions is an issue.
    let me be the first to welcome you to reality! I do not want to live in a reality where 5 year olds are sexually precocious (and yes that's spell correct and isn't "precious") on a stage in front of who know? Where girls have to wear false eyelashes and hair pieces to be considered pretty... Natural beauty is, by it's own definition beautiful.



    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy View Post
    [youtube]XYNymvtbWw4[/youtube]

    Wife Swap. The pageant family vs. the feminists. Part one of five.

    These people were also on Tyra.
    Tyra : Pageant Mom Insults Young Feminist's Love Of A Good Book
    Wow.... of course stuff like reading, writing, learning to spell, that's never going to help you get a job is it?
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    This is reminding me of another defense tactic that pageants mom use. One that I forgot about. It's where they hold up all the other activities that kids do, and point out that they're just as bad.

    Thing is, you can't clean up your own house by pointing out how dirty your neighbor's house is. There is definitely an ugly side to sports & cheering, and we've discussed that here on GR, but that doesn't make what goes on in pageants OK.

    I guess I just see pageants as extremely tacky & silly. Sure, other activities can be taken to an extreme & parents can get ridiculous, but pageants are just intrinsically stupid. The only clear objective seems to be to get the girl as full of herself and conceited as possible, but it's called "poise" and "confidence."
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