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    Quote Originally Posted by lori359 View Post
    While I may agree that it is sad to have these grown women living their lives through their children, it is also, sad to have other grown adults referring to these same children as prostitots, and other malicious names. They after all have no choice in what mommie dearest has set up for them to participate in. Someone pointed out in a earlier post that if they competed their children for them to get self confidence isnt that self confidence basicly ruined when they read the ugly comments on the infamous pink boards? Well imagine what the comments on here would do as well. I am not for anything that makes a child look like a show dog, however, make fun of the parents, make fun of the fakeness, the crazy pics etc, but honestly draw the line somewhere....like referring to a 5 year old as a whore...thats a little overkill to make a point.

    i agree, people have carried on ridiculously in here.
    *awaits abuse*

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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy View Post
    Not being a whore but looking like one. They're dressed and made up to look far older and then paraded provocatively on stage. Take this makeup for example:


    Compare the makeup on that poor little girl with porn star Jenna Jameson:




    And then there's this pose that you can find on countless pageant pictures and again on Jenna.





    I just don't know why people would want their daughters to look like that.
    i know and lori knows that that is what you all mean but it isnt what you are saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCDer View Post
    i agree, people have carried on ridiculously in here.
    *awaits abuse*
    I agree and I am going overboard too...however...I'm not the one putting make up on a little kid, giving her a whore-like outfit and takeing pictures of it, then photo shopping it to look like an adult...
    They really DO look like whores because of the makeup & clothes & photoshopping.
    It's not kids fault..its the mothers...

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    they LOOK like whores. Jesus, i think that was made clear on this board and that one.

    THEY LOOK LIKE WHORES BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS PUT THEM IN SLUTTY CLOTHES, PAINT THEM UP, AND MAKE THEM ACT PROVOCATIVELY TOWARDS THE JUDGES.

    FOr fucks sake, makeup is historically used to ENHANCE SEXUAL PHYSICAL APPEAL. That's its purpose.

    Clear now?

    Thanks so much.

    and ps. that IS what we're saying. Frankly, they ARE being prostituted after a fashion.. not for sexual favors, but their "talent", looks and their youth is being prostituted in exchange for CASH or PRIZES, ie: some kind of financial or social payoff. That IS prostitution.

    I don't think we need to explain it any simpler, that should be clear enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    they LOOK like whores. Jesus, i think that was made clear on this board and that one.

    THEY LOOK LIKE WHORES BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS PUT THEM IN SLUTTY CLOTHES, PAINT THEM UP, AND MAKE THEM ACT PROVOCATIVELY TOWARDS THE JUDGES.

    FOr fucks sake, makeup is historically used to ENHANCE SEXUAL PHYSICAL APPEAL. That's its purpose.

    Clear now?

    Thanks so much.

    and ps. that IS what we're saying. Frankly, they ARE being prostituted after a fashion.. not for sexual favors, but their "talent", youth, looks and their youth is being prostituted in exchange for CASH or PRIZES, ie: some kind of financial or social payoff. That IS prostitution.

    I don't think we need to explain it any simpler, that should be clear enough.


    I agree with ya babe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rica View Post
    Someone explain to me how kids getting broken bones while playing is worse then whoring out your kid for a trophy
    Because sport makes you GAY.

    Actually, someone said that wrestling is especially full of gay germs and now I think about it there's a certain Crazy Actor Of Small Stature And Huge Homo Issues who used to be a wrestler. Makes you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I don't think we need to explain it any simpler, that should be clear enough.
    They understand, they just don't want to admit it.

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    Hey guys, check this out.. i posted this on the craxy manatee board, but does this seem to fit pageant moms or is it me:


    Profile of a sociopath:


    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams.

    Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause.
    Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Hey guys, check this out.. i posted this on the craxy manatee board, but does this seem to fit pageant moms or is it me:
    [in a totally caring way]
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    Its frightening how accurately that fits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Even has one of their winning titles in the description!


    'Grandiose Supreme Tiny Miss.....'

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    Anti Childrens Beauty Pageant
    The purpose of this board is to discuss exactly what children's beauty pageants are so wrong, why the people associated with them all seem like escapeess from the same wack farm insane asylum and to talk about the best ways to pressure advertisers and supporters to stop this type of sexualization and exploitation of kids. Kids are meant to be kids, not dressed up faux Vietnamese midget hookers pumping up momma's ego. (No offense meant to any actual Vietnamese midget hookers!) Look. this space isn't to post ads and banners for your child exploitation rituals. So don't do it or I'm just going to delete the damn things to keep them from junking up the board and pulling bandwidth. Do that crap on your own boards.

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    One woman I spoke to for a few minutes at the beginning of the pageant had a just-turned-two-year-old girl with her. Like the other contestants, Katelynn wore a wigful of curls, false lashes and a sprayed on tan. But her mom seemed nice enough, so Baby and I settled in to watch them compete in the first round together.

    As Katelynn's mom carried her up on the stage, the little girl burst into tears. Her mother grimaced and shook her daughter stiffly, trying to make her stop. Of course, Katelynn cried harder. Impatiently, her mother whipped her around to face the judges, then jerked her back and stalked off the stage when it became clear that the tears weren't going to stop any time soon. As they walked past me in the audience, Katelynn's mom didn't speak to or look at her daughter. Her face was an awful mask of anger and disappointment.

    Round two was no better. This time, Katelynn's mother had to stand behind the judges as Katelynn walked onto the stage by herself for a dance routine. Hit with the spotlight and the music, set at eardrum-bursting volume, Katelynn froze before the judges and timidly smiled, bouncing slightly, for the entire minute-and-a-half. At first, her mother wildly pantomimed Katelynn's routine from the audience, but when it became clear that her daughter wasn't going to dance, she threw her hands up in exasperation and walked away from Katelynn's sight line. Katelynn walked to the side of the stage when the music stopped and her mother harshly grabbed her and went to angrily vent to some of the pageant coaches nearby.

    I felt sick. How could a child who just turned two be expected to smile and perform on cue? And why was her mother so angry when she didn't? Surely she knew this might happen. All of us with toddlers know that the moment we most want them to display their knowledge of the alphabet or "Twinkle Twinkle" is the moment they choose not to perform.

    I learned later that Katelynn and her mother and baby sister had flown in from Texas for the pageant, spent around $800 for the pageant entrance fee, and thousands of dollars more for airfare and hotel, pageant coaches (who'd also come in from out of town for the event), custom-made costumes, professionally done hair and makeup and manicures and tanning. I'm sure that Katelynn's mom wasn't seeing her daughter up there on stage; she was seeing thousands of dollars being flushed down the toilet. And this mother wasn't alone. I saw plenty of parents' faces contort in anger when their toddlers forgot a routine, neglected to remove a hat or vest, or cried on stage. It was fucking pathetic. And fucking wrong.

    I don't use the term 'child abuse' lightly, but I felt like what I was seeing should not have been happening under any circumstances. I can't tell you how many two and three-year-old girls approached my daughter, clearly wanting to play with her as she hopped across the carpet and munched on Goldfish. These girls, though, had obviously been trained over a long period of time not to move. They would stand a few feet away in their perfect hair and makeup and costumes, looking at her longingly, but not daring to approach her. Any of you who have or have had a two-year-old know that this kind of behavior in an entire group of toddlers isn't natural. It's learned behavior and it's sick.

    The contestants in national "glitz" pageants in no way resemble little girls. They are made up to look like little women, dressed up in bikinis, their wispy hair covered by full-length Barbie-esque wigs. I was horrified to see obvious dark roots in some of the under-six contestants' platinum blonde hair that peeked out from beneath their long synthetic ponytails. After about thirty minutes of watching the pageant, I found myself wondering how this one got her hair so smooth and perfectly wavy and marveling at how that one's blush perfectly complemented her skin tone. When one two-year-old came out on the stage wigless and nearly bald, I thought to myself, "That one needs some hair on her head! How does she even expect to compete?!" And I knew I was getting sucked into the madness.

    We all know most girls love feeling pretty and I'm sure many of them love looking at their made-up selves in the mirror, but these pageant contestants are obviously too young and naive to realize that they are being sexualized for a crowd of strangers to ogle and judge. It is so disgusting and so wrong and I wish there were a way to put an end to it.

    Want to see some of what I'm talking about for yourself? Take a look at this site. Several of these girls were contestants.

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    ^^ That's heart breaking...how can anyone do this to a toddler...

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    kids are supposed to be "cute," not "sexy!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy View Post

    Gaudy as all hell.
    is that size 14-16 or sized for age 14-16? Coz a kid that is size 14 is a little on the large side n'est pas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallas_Munro View Post
    ETA: Novice, is this you? You're so cute!
    1) My mother had more taste to put a "facinator" on me
    2) I had more hair than that, even at that age
    3) That dress... I'm sorry but just no. Brown corduroy should only be worn by farmers and animal auctioneers
    4) I can honestly say, hand-on-heart, that I was sooooo much cuter.....
    so, on balance.... no! But thanks for asking.

    Poor kid, if my mother ever did that to me I'd have turned in to a serial killer just to embarass her.
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