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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Kill Me View Post
    Fucking Westboro is planning to attend the funeral for the children, fuckers.
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    God I hope someone kills all of those fuckers sometime-if we have to have spree killers and mass murderers going off and all, why oh why can they not just go off on these pieces of shit instead of going off in some college classroom or restaurant or something? Hell they might not even get a really stiff sentence/get a sympathetic jury!

    QUOTE=Str8_uncut-jock;2646356]Not sure how to embed articles, but the latest news indicates that the child pornography on the computer was incestuous in nature, although animated and not of actual family members.[/QUOTE]

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    Didn't they say they originally found the porn cartoons on his computer when they searched the house after Susan disappeared? She disappeared in December of 2009. Josh then moved from Utah a month or two later, to his Dad's place in Washington state, with the boys.

    Tell me why in the hell they let him leave the state with those boys after his wife had disappeared, AND they had found child porn on his computer??? It wasn't until September of 2011 when Josh's Dad was arrested on the child porn charges, and the state then took the boys away from Josh. Why was he allowed to keep his children all that damn time to begin with??? It makes no fucking sense. If it was you or I, they would have taken the boys out of our homes so fast your head would spin. I've seen kids taken for way less.
    I think that the father was a sick pedo, molested Josh, turned him into a pedo who then molested his own kids, the mom 'suspected', was trunked and then killed, and when the shit hit the fan pedo Josh offed himself and the kids after chopping on their necks with the ax. A whole family/generational thing of sick twisted perversion. They( the father, the killing bastard Josh, and the family members supporting/making excuses for him) should all burn in an eternal fire.

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    I don't think the article says which computer it was found on. The problem is--if it was found on the pervy dad's computer then theoretically it could be the dad's (his computer after all). But it potentially could be Josh's as well, since he lived under that roof with his father.

    Regarding Josh molesting the kids--maybe. But Susan had already talked to her pastor and friends and expressed unhappiness in their marriage. I think there were financial problems, too. So there are other reasons she might have left him or been about to leave it. Or he could have molested the kids and she could have just found out about and confronted him. But I don't see her finding out about molestation and not getting the hell out, with the kids, immediately.

    I guess no one will ever know, which no doubt was Josh's intention. I don't think his creepy dad can be trusted for information.

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    Your right, the article doesn't state when they found the cartoons on Josh's computer. I heard it this morning on the Today Show. They said it was found on Josh's computer during the investigation of their home during Susan's disappearance, so I assumed that was around December of 2009 in Utah.

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    Ok..maybe I got it wrong. I thought they found pics on Josh's computer as well as those on his father's computer. So is it that no new pics were found, and this is all from 2009? Then why all of a sudden did this come up now in court affecting his visition/possible custody and all?

    If this is all from 2009..then why the hell the wait until 2012 to do something about it concerning Josh?????? I guess I just do not understand it?

    Did something new come out pertaining directly to Josh to push the hand of the authorities?

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    I am not really sure on the whole thing. I need to find a more indepth article. But this morning, on the Today Show, they said the adult cartoons having sex with a child were found on Josh's computer during the 2009 investigation of his missing wife, Susan.

    So I took that to mean they found that crap way back in Dec 2009 when Susan disappeared. And I agree with you Soj, if that is the case, why in the hell was he allowed to leave the state and retain custody of his boys way back then? He was already a person of interest in his wifes disappearance, and then they find child porn on top of that? Stupid.

    And I believe your right on the fact that the cops also found porn on both Josh and his Dad's computers last fall, when the Dad was arrested. I just wish they had acted the first time and taken the boys from him back in 2009.

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    I don't live in the states, so I wonder if there are differing state legislations for parental custody rights regarding animated childporn, especially in the first state's definition of child porn where the boys were left with their pedo-freak dad? For example, I think in Japan hentai (incest cartoons/anime pictures) can be read/viewed in public places.
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    Source?

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    With apologies to anyone I'm irritating, but when mini super mod demandeth...

    What’s really at stake in Japan’s revised pornography laws?


    By Simon Scott

    Commentary Feb. 23, 2011 - 04:09AM JST ( 47 )




    TOKYO —

    It is a well worn cliché for Western tourists to return home from Japan and tell stories about—shock, horror—nerdy, bespectacled salarymen reading pornographic manga on crowded trains, oblivious to the group of chatty schoolgirls seated nearby.

    In reality, almost all books read on trains here, comics or otherwise, are wrapped in those nondescript brown bookshop covers, so it’s nigh impossible to pick the “dirty old man” from someone reading up on how to grow parsley.

    But the fact remains that a student only has to nip into any one of the thousands of Lawsons or 7-Elevens which populate Tokyo to be exposed to a legion of half-naked, wide-eyed, big breasted cartoon characters occupying the front covers of the shop’s adult manga collection.

    But that is all about to change. Or is it?

    The controversial manga censorship ordinance pushed through by the Tokyo metropolitan government late last year has been much talked about but widely misunderstood. Specifically, the act aims to regulate manga that “unreasonably praise or exaggerate” extreme sex.

    When ten major publishing houses announced they would protest the law by boycotting the upcoming Tokyo International Anime Fair and holding a rival festival, the stage was set for a fight of comic book proportions.

    On one side is the Tokyo metropolitan government, led by the people’s hero, the lovable and famously open-minded (cough, cough) governor himself, Shintaro Ishihara.
    Facing off against him are the motley defenders of free speech—long-haired, absinthe-drinking manga-ka, Japanese beatniks for the computer age battling for their smutty art while their publishers count rolls of yen in smoky backrooms.

    Despite Ishihara’s George W Bush-like grace, the man seems, at least at first glance, to be on the right side of the moral divide. Who, after all, could object to the idea of preventing minors from seeing graphic images that glorify rape, child abuse, incest and underage sex?
    The new regulations are being depicted by the publishers as a wider attack on freedom of speech, but, in fact, they place no restrictions on the sale of manga to adults, nor do they restrict what manga-ka are allowed to create. When the new rules go into effect this summer, the outcome will simply be that a greater number of manga get slapped with an R-18 rating. This designation means that the publication must be placed in a separate adults-only section.

    The publishers cry that this will significantly damage their business—giving the books an R-18 rating, they say, not only keeps them out of the hands of minors, it reduces the numbers of adults who will buy them. In convenience stores, where space is at a premium, the adult-only section is very small or nonexistent, thus reducing the chance that an R-18 manga will even reach the shelves.

    But a deeper look suggests that this is about something more than just publisher profits.

    Censorship of pornography in Japan, be it animated, photographed or filmed, has always been superficial, focusing on blocking out or blurring the sex organs. At the same time, the actions depicted onscreen, and the wider themes of the story, are entirely free of any restrictions. In other words, even after the new law goes into effect, a hardcore film about rape can be legally circulated as long as there is a small fuzzy spot over the center of the actors’ genitalia.

    This is diametrically opposed to the Western style of censorship, which allows full nudity but which takes a tougher line on rape and sexual violence. Japan’s new law, insofar as it strives to regulate more than just the surface images to look at the overall theme of the story, suggests that the country is moving in a Western direction.

    This appears to be a more healthy approach, especially when dealing with impressionable minors, but it also dips into the murky waters of subjective interpretation. The publishing industry is rightly concerned that the new regulations are too vague and potentially broad in their application. They are worried the restrictions will be used to wedge open the door to wider controls on the representation of any illegal activity, including manga with educational value. For example, a story set in the Edo era could be banned if it includes a scene of horny samurai bonking in the Yoshiwara.

    Sex today, violence tomorrow—soon, there is very little which can be shown in a comic book.

    The TMG has assured publishers and fans that only manga encouraging “indecent” sexual behavior among minors will be censored. It claims that tasteful depictions of “normal” sexual relations between a husband and wife, for example, will not be censored, nor will “positive” stories in which (say) a young person who is sexually abused winds up overcoming this hardship.

    But is the TMG really qualified to make difficult judgment calls like this? Is it really possible to determine what “normal” sexual relations are? Different people have different values about human sexuality and what kind of content is appropriate for teenagers to look at.

    And don’t forget—after hours and hours of discussion and pointless aisatsu between overworked bureaucrats and militant PTA mothers, one man gets to make the final decision about whether your kids can or can’t read a comic book.

    And that man is Gov Ishihara, the courageous defender of that downtrodden and disenfranchised sector of Japanese society—the rich, middle-aged, middle class male Japanese businessman without Korean or Chinese ancestry who invariably likes golf.

    Let’s keep the kids safe, but not let this city turn into Ishihara’s personal 1984!

    Simon Scott is a Tokyo-based freelance journalist and Japan correspondent for the New Zealand Herald.
    source: What’s really at stake in Japan’s revised pornography laws? ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

    I can't remember the original article I read two years ago and spoke with my Japanese-phile friend about; it had to do with an underground social movement headed by a bloke who'd been around since the 70s and they're trying to effect social change in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I don't think she had a lot of options for defending herself. She had two sons that had already roughed her up, and a pervy husband who would probably have taken her sons side and stopped her from grabbing her gun, assuming she had one in the first place.
    I think that your assessment of the situation is correct; normal children in normal families do not threaten parents with knives.
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    Wow, she knew he was going to kill her...



    TACOMA, Wash. (AP) — In the quest to figure out what happened to Susan Powell in 2009, Utah authorities compiled a heap of evidence — finding blood in the family home, an eerie hand-written "will" and a young son who bluntly said that mom was dead.

    Despite all of the information, investigators with West Valley City police continued to say Friday that they are treating the case as a missing-persons matter. They have never named a suspect or filed charges in Powell's disappearance, even though her husband was linked with much of the evidence and scrutiny.

    Josh Powell killed himself and their two young children in a gas-fueled inferno two months ago.

    A prosecutor in Washington state, examining the unsealed files for the first time Friday, said he thought there was enough evidence to charge Josh Powell with murder.

    "There is direct evidence. There is circumstantial evidence. There is motive," said Pierce County prosecutor Mark Lindquist. "There is everything but the body."

    The documents, used as justification to search the home where Josh Powell was staying last year, detail a widespread case that investigators had built.

    Shortly after Susan Powell disappeared, authorities found blood evidence on a floor next to a sofa and determined that it was Susan Powell's. The sofa appeared to have been recently cleaned, and two fans had been set up to blow on it.

    Investigators found several life insurance policies on Susan Powell that totaled $1.5 million and determined that Josh Powell had filed paperwork to withdraw her retirement account money about 10 days after her disappearance.

    The documents describe Josh Powell as unwilling to help in the investigation.

    A safety deposit box used by Susan Powell had a hand-written letter titled "Last will & testament for Susan Powell," according to the documents. She wrote in that letter that she did not trust her husband and that they'd been having marital troubles for four years.

    The letter also said that "if Susan Powell dies it may not be an accident, even if it looks like one," according to the documents.

    Josh Powell always maintained his innocence and said he had taken their boys, then 2 and 4, on a midnight camping trip in freezing temperatures the night she disappeared.

    One of the children, Charlie, told investigators in an interview shortly after his mom disappeared that she had gone on the camping trip with them but did not come back home and he did not know why, according to the files. A few weeks later, he told a church teacher with no emotion: "My mom is dead."

    Investigators had found a gas can, tarps and a shovel in Josh Powell's vehicle shortly after the investigation began. Susan Powell's cellphone was also in the car, and Josh Powell "did not have an answer as to why," according to the documents. One person interviewed by police said Powell had once made comments about how to kill someone and dispose of the body.

    Susan Powell's purse, keys, credit cards and other belongings were found in the couple's master bedroom.

    West Valley City police on Friday refused to expand on any details revealed in the search warrant because the investigation is still ongoing, said Sgt. Mike Powell, who is not related to the Powell family.

    "This case began as a missing person case and remains as such," he said. "But due to the suspicious nature ... murder and kidnapping have not been excluded."

    Although police have only identified Josh Powell as a "person of interest," Sgt. Powell didn't rule out eventual charges against his father, Steven Powell.

    Josh Powell moved with the boys to Steven Powell's home in Puyallup, Wash., but the grandfather was arrested and charged with voyeurism and child pornography last September. The boys were placed with Susan Powell's parents for their safety.

    On Feb. 5 — a few days after incestuous images found on Josh Powell's computer prompted a judge to order him to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation — he locked a social worker out of his rental house, attacked the boys with a hatchet and ignited the home in an explosive, gas-fueled inferno. The social worker was not injured.

    Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said his detectives would have arrested Powell "a long time ago" if this had been their case. He said a detective in Washington state was aware of the details gathered and local authorities had been anticipating that Utah investigators would pursue an arrest.

    "Obviously, it's frustrating," Troyer said. "We were always waiting for the phone call to go arrest him."

    The documents also describe how Steven Powell had an apparent obsession with his daughter-in-law. A locked cabinet in Steve Powell's bedroom contained multiple images of Susan Powell, including some of her in her underwear. Other images showed nude female bodies with Susan Powell's face copied onto them.

    Another image showed Steven Powell masturbating to an image of Susan Powell.

    Susan Powell wrote in her personal journals that she did not want Steven Powell involved in her life and wished that Josh Powell would sever ties with him. She described Steven Powell as a pedophile.
    Docs show evidence piled up in Utah disappearance - Toshiba

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    Jebus! So fucking creepy.
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    I don't get it. It sounds like they have had this information for awhile. Why didn't they charge Josh with murder and why didn't they use the information in the letter about Susan wrote to make sure the kids were kept from the father and grandfather?

    Also, it is annoying that the article (unless I missed it) doesn't mention when the police found the safe deposit box, etc.

    Regardless, it's hard to understand why they didn't charge him with murder.

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    I'm no investigator, but it sure seems like they had enough to arrest this creep. I mean, if they can charge you and convict you without a body, this sure seems to be a case they could have done that with.

    Everyone failed these poor grandparents and those poor little boys.

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    What a mess, somebody or some people in that police force need to lose their jobs over this. The entire situation is just appalling.
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    I think Susan's parents have been considering suing at least 1 party--I think perhaps Child Protective Services in Washington? I don't know--for some reason I just seem to recall that. I don't usually believe in litigiousness, but in this case I would not blame them for suing one or more parties involved in this case.

    Maybe Susan's death couldn't have been prevented, but those little boys should still be alive!

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