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    IMO...There is not guarantee that children, whether born to you or adopted by you, are going to be "perfect". If you only want and will love a child if they are what you envision as "flawless", then maybe you should rethink your decision to have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikmccall View Post
    She can research the lawyer,driver and escort online but couldn't do the same for the orphanage's reputation?
    The money she spent on the plane ticket(s), she could have spend on some sessions with a couple child psychologists.
    Exactly. I want to see a picture of this woman. I'm thinking large, with badly died hair.
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    This gets worse. Another family who had adopted 2 Russian children were on the Today show. They said all she had to do was contact the agency. They are upset about the families that now will be blocked after waiting years. Another family-much older couple, did adopt a girl that was unable to bond with them. They also could not cope, but did the right thing so the child could go to a family better equipped to deal with her. Everything was on the up to up.
    This is such a terrible thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    MIssed that and am surprised by how normal looking she is.
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    Why are this woman's looks even being brought up? Being thin and beautiful doesn't make one a good mother. Stereotypes are alive and well,unfortunately.

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    I brought it up because I hate her for what she did and will use anything I can get my hands on to mock her mercilessly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mivvi21 View Post
    Why are this woman's looks even being brought up? Being thin and beautiful doesn't make one a good mother. Stereotypes are alive and well,unfortunately.
    It doesn't mean you won't get cheated on either.

    She must be getting so much shit right now, which she rightly deserves. I'm curious if she thought she could do this all quietly, without anyone noticing?

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    ^^I've wondered that as well. Did she just think the kid would go back to Russia and that would be the end of it? Or is she angling for a book deal/seat on Oprah's sofa?
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    Adoption are disrupted everyday for many reasons. The first step should have been to contact the agency. The boys was legally adopted so he was not longer a Russian national. He is now a US citizen. She should have sought services locally. Then if all else failed she should have given him up for adoption through her local Dept of Children's Services.

    I do not doubt their story of his threats and violence. I fully believe there were problems and the orphanage knew all about it. It does seem odd that the mom sat back and allowed the grandmother to handle it all. I am sure she went into this with the best intentions. She spent a grat deal of money to adopt this boy. It's sad she didn't extend the same amount of effort into helping him.

    This is also a boy who is still trying to recover from being removed from his bio-mom. His life was probably chaotic but to him it was normal. He was probably acting out in hopes he would be sent back thinking that would mean they would give him back to his mom. I see it all the time in the foster system here in the US. That age group believes if they are bad enough they will get to go back to their family. As bad as it might have been in their family it is the one place they felt connected.
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    So she's trying to get another child WTF

    Mom in Russia Adoption Scandal Trying for Second Child - ABC News

    Mother in Adoption Scandal Was Trying for Second Child

    Sheriff Meeting with District Attorney, Hopes to Charge Torry Hansen With Abandonment

    By ASHLEIGH BANFIELD and SARAH NETTER

    April 13, 2010

    The Tennessee mother who horrified the adoption community when she put her 7-year-old son on a plane back to Russia was in the process of trying to adopt a second child.
    Torry Hansen had turned to a second adoption agency to bring home a child from the Soviet Republic of Georgia, a source with the sheriff's department told ABC News.
    She switched adoption agencies after the agency that arranged the adoption of her first child, World Association for Children and Parents, urged her to wait before adopting again, the source said. The association advised Hansen it would be best to settle in with the boy before adding to her family, the source said.
    A few months later, Hansen, of Shelbyville, Tenn., and her mother, Nancy Hansen put 7-year-old Artyem Savilev on a plane back to Moscow in hopes of having the boy's adoption annulled.
    In a letter pinned inside Artyem's pocket, Hansen told Russian officials that he was violent, had psychiatric issues and that she no longer wanted to be his mother.
    The Tennessee sheriff investigating the case said both Torry and Nancy Hansen have notified him through their lawyer that they refuse to be interviewed unless they are charged with a crime. He said he is looking into possible charges against the women.
    "Abuse has been mentioned," Sheriff Randall Boyce said.
    Investigators are expected to meet with the district attorney today. Charges being considered for both Torry and Nancy Hansen include child abuse, endangering the welfare of a child and educational neglect.
    The educational neglect charge stems from the fact that neither Artyem or his cousin Logan were registered for public school or home school. Torry Hansen's sister, Logan's mother, could also face charges for educational neglect, a misdemeanor.
    Any charges against the women, however, may be difficult to prove since Artyem is now in Russia and Russian officials have told ABC News that it is unlikely that the boy will ever set foot on U.S. soil again. Because the boy is in Russia, U.S. investigators are unable to question him about any allegations. Perhaps more importantly, if the boy is not present in a Tennessee courtroom, any case against the women could be dismissed.
    "This is an extremely complicated deal," Boyce said. "There's nothing simple about this."
    Boyce said there haven't been any reports of trouble in the Hansen home from the police or the adoption agency Torry Hansen used. Hansen, Boyce said, was contacted by the agency in January and March, but didn't report problems at that point. In December Hansen was so thrilled with Artyem she began asking about a second child.
    The status of the second adoption inquiry was unclear today.

    Russian Officials: Artyem Shows No Sign of Violent Behavior

    Russian officials said examinations of Artyem have turned up no signs of the violent behavior Hansen cited in her note, which claimed adoption officials there had lied to her about Artyem's mental stability.
    "No, no this is not true," Pavel Astokhov, Russia's children's rights commissioner, told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview. "How can you imagine this, [that] a 7-year-old boy can be dangerous?"
    Artyem, who was renamed Justin in the United States, has been seen playing and smiling since he was returned to his native country.
    "All medical exams was done before the adoption procedure," Astokhov said, "and Torry Hansen knew about Artyem, everything."
    But Astokhov said Russian doctors found "some scars and some bodily injuries," including marks on his leg and hands. It was unclear, he said, what kind of marks they were.
    "I don't know exactly, but there are some scars of two or three months old," he said.
    In a video taped Friday by Russian officials and obtained by ABC News, Astokhov asked Artyem if he'd been hit by Hansen. He said no, but that Hansen had pulled his hair.
    In Hansen's note to Russian officials, she called her son "dangerous."
    "I no longer wish to parent this child," Hansen's note read.
    "This child is mentally unstable," Hansen wrote to the Russian Ministry of Education. "He is violent and has severe psychopathic issues/behaviors. I was lied to and misled by the Russian orphanage workers and director regarding his mental stability and other issues."

    Russian Families Looking to Adopt Artyem

    Nancy Hansen, ABC News has learned, contacted Russian lawyer Karina Krasnova through e-mail a month before Artyem was put on the plane asking about legal options to annul the adoption.
    "Their relationship with the adopted boy had reached a dead end," Krasnova said. "When this woman encountered massive problems, nobody lent her a helping hand. I think this was an act of desperation by the family."
    Hansen's actions have inflamed already sensitive relations between U.S. and Russia over adoptions of Russian children to Americans. Russian officials have called for the halt of such adoptions while the case is investigated.
    More than a dozen Russian children have died in the hands of their American adopters.
    U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Beyrle said he also wants to investigate Artyem's case.
    Several Russian families have come forward to adopt the boy, now Astokhov's preference. Beyrle said that might be acceptable, but Artyem is still torn between two countries.
    "As soon as he sets foot on American soil having been legally adopted, he becomes an American citizen. So he is now in Russia, maintains that American citizenship," he said. "We have responsibilities and we have some rights. But we have no doubt that he's being well cared for right now.
    "Our main concern is making sure that Justin Artyem is in safe hands," he said, "and has a chance to put all this behind him and get on with a normal life."
    A delegation from the United States is expected to arrive in Russia to begin discussing international adoptions and Artyem's case.
    ABC News' Zoe Magee, Desiree Adib and Kari Pricher contributed to this story.

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    I kinda sorta and yet not really have some inside dirt of sorts about this whole situation...

    This lady works for the VA as a nurse.

    I would safely asume she had this young fellow covered under her health insurance.

    This lady lives a good fifty miles from one of the finest clinics for youngsters in need going and it is affiliated with Vanderbilt University. Some people refer to Vanderbilt University as: "The Harvard of the South."

    All this lady had to do was recognize the problem(s), accept them, and then drive a good hour or so down the road a ways to get this young man assistance for the problem(s).

    The worse case scenrio going would have been that he might have needed inpatient help for a while or so.

    Since I am from TN and currently live there now. I know of this stuff. I know how far Nashville is from her town and all of that. She had a plethora of resources a good hour or so away which could have been of great benefit to this young man and she did not use them or seek them out at all. And, that is what has me really disgusted.

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    ^^Bloody hell, that has me really disgusted as well, along with the fact that this dumb bitch was trying to adopt another kid. Something is very fishy in this story. Hopefully that poor kid will finally find a good home.
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    Woman's batshit. She should be banned from ever adopting or going near a child again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philbert_wormly View Post
    She had a plethora of resources a good hour or so away which could have been of great benefit to this young man and she did not use them or seek them out at all. And, that is what has me really disgusted.
    That's what I questioned from the beginning too. How could she come to the conclusion he was "psychopathic" after six months, when he was never even evaluated by a professional? It didn't seem she even tried to get any help. If she had exhausted all resources, I might have some sympathy.

    The Russian lawyer is quoted as saying "Their relationship with the adopted boy had reached a dead end. When this woman encountered massive problems, nobody lent her a helping hand. I think this was an act of desperation by the family."

    Huh? Sounds like she was fed a line of bullshit. They sent this kid back like he was a stray dog from the pound who didn't "fit in" with their lifestyle. And then tried to get another one who might? Disgusting is right.
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