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Old February 27th, 2008, 12:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old February 27th, 2008, 12:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think the problem is, like, that they, like, um, worship people from like The Hills and like, Laguna Beach.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Pop Culture definitely has a play in why our kids are so fucking dumb. They would'nt know who Franklin D. Roosevelt was or what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but I bet their ass would know who Hannah Montana was and what latests asshole won American Idol.

However I think it's mroe the parents and school's fault for not giving kids the idea that education is important and that having the latest mp3 in your ipod is not.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Default Survey Finds Teenagers Ignorant on Basic History and Literature Questions

Fewer than half of American teenagers who were asked basic history and literature questions in a phone survey knew when the Civil War was fought, and one in four said Columbus sailed to the New World some time after 1750, not in 1492.

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The survey results, released on Tuesday, demonstrate that a significant proportion of teenagers live in “stunning ignorance” of history and literature, said the group that commissioned it, Common Core.
The organization describes itself as a new research and advocacy organization that will press for more teaching of the liberal arts in public schools.
The group says President Bush’s education law, No Child Left Behind, has impoverished public school curriculums by holding schools accountable for student scores on annual tests in reading and mathematics, but in no other subjects.
Politically, the group’s leaders are strange bedfellows. Its founding board includes Antonia Cortese, executive vice president of the American Federation of Teachers, a union that is a powerful force in the Democratic Party, and Diane Ravitch, an education professor at New York University who was assistant education secretary under the first President George Bush.
Its executive director is Lynne Munson, former deputy chairwoman of the National Endowment for the Humanities and former special assistant to Vice President Dick Cheney’s wife, Lynne.
“We’re a truly diverse group,” Mrs. Munson said. “We almost certainly vote differently, and we have varying opinions about different aspects of educational reform. But when it comes to concern that all of America’s children receive a comprehensive liberal arts and science education, we all agree.”
In the survey, 1,200 17-year-olds were called in January and asked to answer 33 multiple-choice questions about history and literature that were read aloud to them. The questions were drawn from a test that the federal government administered in 1986.
About a quarter of the teenagers were unable to correctly identify Hitler as Germany’s chancellor in World War II, instead identifying him as a munitions maker, an Austrian premier and the German kaiser.
On literature, the teenagers fared even worse. Four in 10 could pick the name of Ralph Ellison’s novel about a young man’s growing up in the South and moving to Harlem, “Invisible Man,” from a list of titles. About half knew that in the Bible Job is known for his patience in suffering. About as many said he was known for his skill as a builder, his prowess in battle or his prophetic abilities.
The history question that proved easiest asked the respondents to identify the man who declared, “I have a dream.” Ninety-seven percent correctly picked the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
About 8 in 10, a higher percentage than on any other literature question, knew that Harper Lee’s “To Kill a Mockingbird” is about two children affected by the conflict in their community when their father defends a black man in court.
In a joint introduction to their report, Ms. Cortese and Dr. Ravitch did not directly blame the No Child law for the dismal results but said it had led schools to focus too narrowly on reading and math, crowding time out of the school day for history, literature and other subjects.
“The nation’s education system has become obsessed with testing and basic skills because of the requirements of federal law, and that is not healthy,” Ms. Cortese and Dr. Ravitch said.
“You can be supportive of N.C.L.B. and also support strengthening the teaching of history and literature,” a spokeswoman for the Education Department, Samara Yudof, said. “It’s good to talk about expanding the curriculum, but if you can’t read, you can’t read anything at all.”
A string of studies have documented the curriculum’s narrowing since Mr. Bush signed the law in January 2002.
Last week, the Center on Education Policy, a research group in Washington that has studied the law, estimated that based on its own survey 62 percent of school systems had added an average of three hours of math or reading instruction a week at the expense of time for social studies, art and other subjects.
The Bush administration and some business and civil rights groups warn against weakening the law, saying students need reading and math skills to succeed in other subjects.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/us/27history.html
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Old February 27th, 2008, 02:07 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Maybe the kids are just taking our cue and consentrating solely on what makes $$$: music, acting, sports and video games.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 02:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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to be fair, it's not just the schools' fault. i think parents and family environment also have a lot to do with it. the more time i spend on the interwebz reading this type of thing, the more i realise just how lucky i was. if you don't grow up in a family where culture is important, with parents who read and teach you to love books, and take you to museums and have you watch documentaries and even stuff like animal shows on tv and not just cartoons, do cultural things when you're on vacation and not just amusement parks and beaches, eat interesting foods, you're almost destined to grow up complacent and mediocre, with no curiosity and a short attention span.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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^Very true! I'm glad my parents were interested in those things too!
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Old February 27th, 2008, 02:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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to be fair, it's not just the schools' fault. i think parents and family environment also have a lot to do with it. the more time i spend on the interwebz reading this type of thing, the more i realise just how lucky i was. if you don't grow up in a family where culture is important, with parents who read and teach you to love books, and take you to museums and have you watch documentaries and even stuff like animal shows on tv and not just cartoons, do cultural things when you're on vacation and not just amusement parks and beaches, eat interesting foods, you're almost destined to grow up complacent and mediocre, with no curiosity and a short attention span.
My parents did. Of course, I'm not so young -37.

My mother always tells this story. When I was 5 or 6, she had some girlfriends over and I was in the den watching TV. She poked her head in to check on me and she saw an operation being performed on the TV, she was shocked for a moment and asked what I was watching.

I replied "PBS. Mom, you can't believe this, a man had a vasectomy and now wants to have children so he's having an operation to reverse his vasectomy". My mother was so beside herself with happiness that her having me start reading, and be open to educational public television, and all the other great stuff that she had exposed us to was having such an affect, so that she was able to have a conversation with her 5 or 6 year old child about vasectomies. Then she went back to her girlfriends and they had a drink of wine, and played cards for hours.

Life is all about balance.

It's ironic that all these hyper-yuppie moms are raising a generation of dumb kids.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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-37? that's about as young as you get, I'd say!

I had a similar experience, different result. My grandmother (dad's side) took me to a book store at age 6 or so. I sat down with a book on human anatomy, to see how on earth a baby could be in a belly and not get eaten. Well, she saw me, ripped the book out of my hands and called my parents. I remember being infuriated that she dare suggest to them I was doing anything wrong...still do.
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Old February 27th, 2008, 07:38 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Bad news...it's not just Americans.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Oour kids are extremely dumb, and no one wants to tell them for fearing of hurting their feelings. This situation is both grave and complicated. It's not one problem that we can just throw into the fire and be done with it. It's a mixture of so many elements, and it's hard to know where to begin. We can call our nation's children fat and lazy, but they don't know any better. Meanwhile, we keep lowering the bar, so as not to hurt their feelings, instead of raising them up to a civilized and well educated level.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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i agree with tati, i think it depends a lot when they test, and what classes you've had at the testing point
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Old February 28th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Oour kids are extremely dumb, and no one wants to tell them for fearing of hurting their feelings. This situation is both grave and complicated. It's not one problem that we can just throw into the fire and be done with it. It's a mixture of so many elements, and it's hard to know where to begin. We can call our nation's children fat and lazy, but they don't know any better. Meanwhile, we keep lowering the bar, so as not to hurt their feelings, instead of raising them up to a civilized and well educated level.
As a teacher, I couldn't agree with you more!!!
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