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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterslide View Post
    Yeah, preschool graduations.....wtf. And when I was out of 5th grade, it was like oh good, school's over we can go outside and play. Nobody would have wanted to sit through a ceremony or cared about it, we just wanted OUT.

    I did, though, have 8th grade graduation, probably because it was a grades 1-8 school, but from talking to other people, I guess at the time that kind of thing was pretty rare.
    I had it, too, but it was a grade 1-8 Catholic school, so most of the kids had been together 8 years, or close to it. Public schools were K-6, 7-9 for Jr. High, and 10-12 for high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I had it, too, but it was a grade 1-8 Catholic school, so most of the kids had been together 8 years, or close to it. Public schools were K-6, 7-9 for Jr. High, and 10-12 for high school.
    ^same here! I thought the fact that everybody was together for 8 years probably was why they made such a big deal about it.
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    ^ You just reminded me of something. My husband's family is Catholic (he's not anymore) so everyone went to Catholic school. Anyway, we go to his cousin's 8th grade ceremony and of course they hand out a ridiculous amount of awards, but this is what bothered me: there are 30 kids graduating and they hand out one award and it's called "Most Spiritual". His cousin won that award and everyone said it was the most important award.

    Ok, I thought this was bullshit. It's a Catholic school and who is to say who's the most spiritual in their beliefs. I mean, do you have to be the leader of prayer circle everyday to win this bullshit award? Do they pick the person who is the most obnoxious talking about Jesus constantly? Doesn't that seem a little offensive to kids who are devout, but don't go preaching to their classmates. It's a Catholic school, most of these kids are raised to be religious. I don't think they should give everyone this award, but I don't believe they should give it to anyone at all because it's Catholic school!!!

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    In catholic schools, it's usually connected to actions like charity, volunteering, community outreach, etc. The award probably has a connection to that. It definitely would have in any catholic school I'm familiar with.

    But in my experience most catholic school kids aren't especially religious or devout, and usually end up atheists.
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    lol at "most spiritual", Dead Dwarf! I don't think anybody could have won something like that at my school, they were all spoiled brats. Of course, I don't know how you'd measure something like that anyway, but who knows? Like wcg said, maybe it was probably based on charity work, etc. The only way anybody at my school did things like that was if it was going towards Confirmation or they were getting something out of it (like missing school or something). I don't remember anybody getting any kind of award at 8th grade graduation, not even for grades, though it's possible.

    Here's the video of the speech. I didn't see it posted.

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    His cousin didn't do any charity or anything, she is kind of annoying though with her "omg" personality so she's kind of in your face with her religion, but she's sweet and still naive. I would say lots of kids at Catholic school at 13-14 are religious though because they haven't really thought about religion in depth, so the award is stupid to me still. And yeah, I do think lots of kids who go to Catholic school end up not very religious or atheists. My husband is definitely agnostic and rolls his eyes at his family (behind their backs, lol) and their Catholicism. Every single family member went to Catholic school and only my husband and his gay uncle turned their backs on religion. Our kids, who are raised agnostic, will be the first to go to public school, the horror!!
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    Oh, JFC. Why not say this at a high school graduation? The point of commencement speakers is to offer advice to the new adults who are going off the college or in the real world.

    I just find it so amusing that people are so worried that these kids heard a ten minute speech about how they have to make it themselves in this world and Mommy and Daddy won't coddle them forever. Are we pretending that most of these middle class white kids aren't leaving the ceremony to go home to parties where their friends and family will kiss their asses all night for doing the bare minimum (graduating from high school)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDwarf View Post
    His cousin didn't do any charity or anything, she is kind of annoying though with her "omg" personality so she's kind of in your face with her religion, but she's sweet and still naive. I would say lots of kids at Catholic school at 13-14 are religious though because they haven't really thought about religion in depth, so the award is stupid to me still. And yeah, I do think lots of kids who go to Catholic school end up not very religious or atheists. My husband is definitely agnostic and rolls his eyes at his family (behind their backs, lol) and their Catholicism. Every single family member went to Catholic school and only my husband and his gay uncle turned their backs on religion. Our kids, who are raised agnostic, will be the first to go to public school, the horror!!
    I agree, most 13- or 14-year-old kids are not going to be profoundly religious, making the award a bit silly. I was thinking the other day about the people I went to school with and I can't imagine them being spiritual now either, but maybe a handful of them go to church. Most of the people that I know who are religious, or want to know about religion, had no religion at home. I don't know if that's the norm, but it's just my observation.
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    Let's not forget that some of TPTB (that's "The Powers That Be" to you coddled folk ) actually WANT a mass of easily manipulated imbeciles that don't know how to think for themselves or achieve anything of substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNoRehab View Post
    Are we pretending that most of these middle class white kids aren't leaving the ceremony to go home to parties where their friends and family will kiss their asses all night for doing the bare minimum (graduating from high school)?

    what about lower class white kids? middle class black kids? rich black kids? poverty stricken aboriginal kids? wealthy biracial kids?
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    Watched Chris Matthews show last night. He had a guy on who'd been a judge at the recent "Miss America" pageant and they showed clips of him asking various contestants who the Vice President of the US was. Half of them could not come up with "Joe Biden" (one said, "I'm not really into politics"). High school grads. One other one said it was late and she was really tired and couldn't think. What ARE they learning?
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    yeah, I heard about that Miss America thing. I honestly don't know what children between 5 and 18 are doing for six hours every day. With something like Miss America, they know they get asked these questions, wouldn't they even be slightly coached to come up with a semi-coherent and correct answer?
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    That reminds me of when a University professor (Southern California) shared a story about a white female student in his class. The teacher was talking about racial relations between Mexican Americans and White Americans, and the student said, "Well, Mexican Americans are an important immigrant group that have inspired America. Mexicans brought their architecture here and showed us white American founders how to build our missions and adobes." And the teacher was dumbfounded before saying, "Uh, you do realize California use to be Mexico, right? Those were built by Mexicans and Spaniards in Mexico (California) hundreds of years ago. And they didn't immigrate to build them, they already lived here before white people came here."
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    Yes, they inspired mission-style homes in gated communities.
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