Psycho nabbed before he could bomb abortion clinic

[Grimmlok]

There was a lovely article posted recently about how mothers eat or kill their young all the time.

The bible doesn't exist in nature, for the love of crimony. Did the dinosaurs give a fuck about the bible? No, because it was 65 million years ago and man hadn't written the thing yet.

Wait, don't tell me. The earth is only 6 thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed and all recorded histories from ancient cultures (say, the chinese or egyptians) that go back before 6 thousand years are bunk?

[DirtyPool]

There was a lovely article posted recently about how mothers eat or kill their young all the time.

The bible doesn't exist in nature, for the love of crimony. Did the dinosaurs give a fuck about the bible? No, because it was 65 million years ago and man hadn't written the thing yet.

Wait, don't tell me. The earth is only 6 thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed and all recorded histories from ancient cultures (say, the chinese or egyptians) that go back before 6 thousand years are bunk?

I don't get into that whole creationism vs. evolutionism debate. I think it's both.

[Grimmlok]

both as in god made things go BANG and whatever grew after was evolution?

How exactly does Adam and Eve fit into that?

[Delphinium]

oh boy... here I go again, wading into shark-infested waters......but oh well... here goes nuthin'

Someone said earlier that unstable individuals sometimes join up with movements such as abortion protesting as an excuse to behave in anti-social or murderous manners. I agree with that idea.

While I absolutley believe that abortion is very rarely justified and I've already made it clear that it should be either illegal or severely restricted due to the way the "right" to abortion is horribly misused by some very irresponsible people out there, I also have to say that blowing up the buildings with people in them is wrong as well.

Christians are called to speak out against things that are wrong, and to work to put an end to it, but not by jumping down into the filth and behaving the same exact way! Resorting to domestic terrorism and blowing up buildings is the same as say, shooting porn stars because of their actions.

Sin is sin, all sin is equal and God will mete out justice and punishment for it as He sees fit.

We who believe that abortion is a sin can and should work within the system by voting, lobbying for changes in the law, and yes protesting outside of clinics, working in crisis pregnancy centers, and of course, be willing to vote for funding for the disabled (to try and get rid of the 'better off dead' argument), and also by adopting or providing care for children who otherwise would be aborted.

If the doctors etc. that were in the building were killed by a bomb,that is not right. But I will point out the point that many lives are potentially saved if an abortionist cannot preform any more abortions.

But lets tie the hands of the abortionist thru legislation and making him unable to do his or her job that way. Or make his or her life harder by protesting outside the clinic, but certainly resorting to killing to stop killing ddoesn't always make sense unless the circumstances are kill or be killed.

[MrsMarsters]

your are insane, what if there is a chance a baby could be born with some horrible disease, or disabled to the point they could barely function you wouldn't call for an abortion then? Now that is selfish.

So its okay for some crazy idiot to go bomb and kill a few people but it's not okay for an abortion?

Please don't tell me your a christian.

[pacific breeze]

There was a lovely article posted recently about how mothers eat or kill their young all the time.

The bible doesn't exist in nature, for the love of crimony. Did the dinosaurs give a fuck about the bible? No, because it was 65 million years ago and man hadn't written the thing yet.

Wait, don't tell me. The earth is only 6 thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed and all recorded histories from ancient cultures (say, the chinese or egyptians) that go back before 6 thousand years are bunk?

It was by Natalie Angier in the New York Times. I'll post it when I get home. It's quite eye-opening. And I don't know what evolution/creationism has to do with this discussion anyway.

[WickedHo]

If the doctors etc. that were in the building were killed by a bomb,that is not right. But I will point out the point that many lives are potentially saved if an abortionist cannot preform any more abortions.

That's assuming you know God's Plan. For all you know, God's Plan was to have said abortionist die in a fiery car crash on the way home.

[Delphinium]

your are insane, what if there is a chance a baby could be born with some horrible disease, or disabled to the point they could barely function you wouldn't call for an abortion then? Now that is selfish.

So its okay for some crazy idiot to go bomb and kill a few people but it's not okay for an abortion?

Please don't tell me your a christian.

that child still has a right to life. Who makes the determination when a life is "worth living"? we have no way to know if even the most disabled child is sentient or not. and i'm not willing to kill another human being because in my person estimation their life is not worth living. killing an innocent baby because the mother might be inconvenienced is not a valid reason for murder.

[WickedHo]

i think the real homegrown terrorists are the people controlling the box office and all major media outlets not some disturbed christian.

Nobody controls "the box office." What the hell are you talking about? And are you including Fox News when you say "all major media outlets"?

[Delphinium]

That's assuming you know God's Plan. For all you know, God's Plan was to have said abortionist die in a fiery car crash on the way home.

I'm not sure I see where you are going with this? So since he would have died that day anyway it is okay to blow him to bits? I don't agree with that idea if that is what you are getting at.

[Grimmlok]

Sin is sin, all sin is equal and God will mete out justice and punishment for it as He sees fit.

Then let God sort it out, and stop trying to enforce your religious edicts on other people who don't subscribe to your religion.

If the bible said to go out and kill all black people, would you expect everyone around you to go rampaging, and then denigrate those that chose not to?

[WickedHo]

can you tell me why every living thing right down to mold wants to live? I believe the true bible lives in nature. Are you able to provide an example of another species that does this type of thing?

Should the AIDS virus be allowed to grow and prosper? Herpes? Ecoli?? Just because something wants to live doesn't mean we allow it to live. What the fuck???

I'm not sure I see where you are going with this? So since he would have died that day anyway it is okay to blow him to bits? I don't agree with that idea if that is what you are getting at.

One second, lemme go back and read the posts again...

[Grimmlok]

that child still has a right to life.

Nothing living has an inherent right to anything. There are no rights in nature.

Example: the big tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands. They had a right to live, apparently. Nature didn't seem to give a shit right then however.

Who makes the determination when a life is "worth living"? we have no way to know if even the most disabled child is sentient or not.

Terri Schiavo's brain was half liquid. She wasn't sentient.

and i'm not willing to kill another human being because in my person estimation their life is not worth living.

*cough 100,000 dead in iraq, someone supported the war, cough*

killing an innocent baby because the mother might be inconvenienced is not a valid reason for murder.

Flushing a developing FETUS because the mother doesn't want it is her right, it's her body, she ultimately gets to decide what grows in her or not. Nobody has the authority or the moral duty to take that away from her.

Ever read Margaret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale" ?

Frightening parallels.

[WickedHo]

If the doctors etc. that were in the building were killed by a bomb,that is not right. But I will point out the point that many lives are potentially saved if an abortionist cannot preform any more abortions.

Ok, found it! So my response is, you're assuming that you know God's Plan when you say "an abortionist cannot perform any more abortions" if he/she were to be blown up by a terrorist. (And, yes, I call these kinds of pro-lifers terrorists because they are using terror and fear to accomplish their goals.) That's all.

[MrsMarsters]

not what I was saying, not sure how to explain it, let's say that you were pregnant or whatever and you were told that your child had some sort of disease that would end up with it suffering most of it's life, would you have an abortion?
Sure the child has a right to live, but it seems unfair that they would have to live like that.