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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    the way i see it, regardless of the power someone wields, if someone requests something of you, a legal adult, you have a choice. whether it's a blow job, a hand job or 150$ that is being asked of you, and the implied reward is a promotion, the publication of a picture of you by a famous photographer in a magazine or that part you want in a movie, you have a choice. and the minute you accept and fork over the 150$ or get on your knees and open your mouth, you also forfeit your right to be morally outraged and play the victim because you are no longer a victim, you are a willing participant in the dirty game, a co-conspirator. if you give someone a blow job for a part in a movie or a picture in a magazine, yes, the dick you're sucking belongs to a sexual harasser/pervert/asshole, but you're also a whore whose ambition was bigger than her (or his, this applies to males as well) sense of right and wrong.
    I see your point but I also remember being 19. I was at uni, working in a bar that paid for my education, my flat, my life. A new manager came on the scene, quite old for the position. He started out all friendly and nice. Then started making comments that made me uncomfortable. Then he got drunk one day and asked me 'what would you do to keep your job'. I kind of giggled and walked away. More comments. More come ons. Finally he more or less blatently came out and said I would get all the good shifts and the best bars to work if I fucked him. I ignored him and carried on with my job. I didn't quit because I needed that job very much. Then he made my life such living hell that I had to quit. But if he hadn't done that, and had only stuck to the come ons, I would have stayed on. I was young, I was stupid and I really, really needed a job that I could work a few days a week and make a shit load of money. A lot of 19 year olds aren't all that savvy, even if they act like they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    the way i see it, regardless of the power someone wields, if someone requests something of you, a legal adult, you have a choice. whether it's a blow job, a hand job or 150$ that is being asked of you, and the implied reward is a promotion, the publication of a picture of you by a famous photographer in a magazine or that part you want in a movie, you have a choice. and the minute you accept and fork over the 150$ or get on your knees and open your mouth, you also forfeit your right to be morally outraged and play the victim because you are no longer a victim, you are a willing participant in the dirty game, a co-conspirator. if you give someone a blow job for a part in a movie or a picture in a magazine, yes, the dick you're sucking belongs to a sexual harasser/pervert/asshole, but you're also a whore whose ambition was bigger than her (or his, this applies to males as well) sense of right and wrong.
    If someone were in dire financial straits with no other option they might, and have, succumbed to pressure for sexual favors. That doesn't make them a whore or even necessarily ambitious. And it doesn't make the person who initiated the quid-pro-quo situation any less of a predator if someone accepts it.

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    ^^^
    hey, if you whore yourself out because you're poor, you're still whoring yourself out. and i said in my post, that it doesn't make the other person any less of a predatory asshole but you do have a choice. a lot of people find themselves in dire financial straits but not all of them suck cock to pay the bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    ^^^
    hey, if you whore yourself out because you're poor, you're still whoring yourself out. and i said in my post, that it doesn't make the other person any less of a predatory asshole but you do have a choice. a lot of people find themselves in dire financial straits but not all of them suck cock to pay the bills.
    A whore, for the most part, is someone who will have sex with anyone for a price. Someone who succumbs to sexual advances by someone who can threaten their job is not a whore. I am, right now, only referring to the United States legal system, but in case after case, the civil courts do not find the plaintiff in this system to be a "whore", who already received payment for "services rendered", but instead to be someone who was subjected to quid-pro-quo sexual harassment. Usually, with a summary judgment against the defendant and the defendant's company amounting to millions of dollars.

    Having also been through the usual sexual harassment training programs at several companies, I do not find a description of a subordinate pressured to perform sex at the expense of keeping their job to be a typical pimp-john exchange, but instead that is an offense that almost always results in termination for the supervisor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    A whore, for the most part, is someone who will have sex with anyone for a price. Someone who succumbs to sexual advances by someone who can threaten their job is not a whore. I am, right now, only referring to the United States legal system, but in case after case, the civil courts do not find the plaintiff in this system to be a "whore", who already received payment for "services rendered", but instead to be someone who was subjected to quid-pro-quo sexual harassment. Usually, with a summary judgment against the defendant and the defendant's company amounting to millions of dollars.

    Having also been through the usual sexual harassment training programs at several companies, I do not find a description of a subordinate pressured to perform sex at the expense of keeping their job to be a typical pimp-john exchange, but instead that is an offense that almost always results in termination for the supervisor.
    i'm not talking about a regular job. i'm talking about a model on a shoot with a pervy photographer. she could either storm out of there and refuse the proposition, or take it up for the advancement of her career.
    models have agencies. there will be other castings, other photographers, other shoots. but if she stayed and jerked him off, she made a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    i'm not talking about a regular job. i'm talking about a model on a shoot with a pervy photographer. she could either storm out of there and refuse the proposition, or take it up for the advancement of her career.
    models have agencies. there will be other castings, other photographers, other shoots. but if she stayed and jerked him off, she made a choice.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheONe View Post
    ^lol Glad that I could add a new term into your vocab
    Hehe.

    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Once again, I think there is confusion about what Jamie Peck is saying vs. what Rie Rasmussen is saying. Jamie Peck is not claiming to be victimized, only that Richardson's behavior was totally off the charts, and that she basically went along with it because at the time she was surrounded by a roomful of Richardson's hangers-on and psycophants making it sound like this was just a regular day at the park.

    Contrast that with Rie Rasmussen's accusations. Moreover, it is very clear by Richardson's reaction to Rasmussen (calling Rasmussen's agency to try to get her in trouble) that Richardson WOULD try to get a model fired or in trouble with her agency by not "going along with the program". This is the DEFINITION of sexual harassment.
    Thanks for clearing that up, Mo. I see where your latter point is coming from. As for the first chick, that was the decision she made willingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    you do have a choice. a lot of people find themselves in dire financial straits but not all of them suck cock to pay the bills.
    + 10

    If you want to blow someone, that is YOUR choice!

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    Whores that have sex with ANYONE for a price are usually very unhappy and most likely drugs.

    Anyway, this guy is a nasty dick hole. What Rasmussen says is fine but I feel like Peck is using her story to get her name out as a writer or some shit, just because of her writing style.
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    This is all over my feed. Mine as well post it here.

    Another Model Comes Forward With Horrible Terry Richardson Allegations

    Known sexual predator Terry Richardson has had a busy month (all his months are busy because, despite the accounts of multiple women who allege they've been sexually assaultedand harassed by him, he is beloved by the fashion world).
    In the past 30 days, he's shot Lady Gaga for Harper's Bazaar, Lea Michele and Jennifer Hudsonfor V, LeBron James for GQ, Stacy Martin of Nymphomaniac fame for Purple Fashion, andKate Moss for Lui (Moss link is NSFW). In keeping with his "edgy" style, Lady Gaga, Lea Michele and Kate Moss all have their legs splayed wide open. In the midst of all of this, a former model has shared her account of his vile and exploitative behavior; it's very similar to every other account we've heard, and it's completely horrifying. But the Richardson's steady stream of work with prestigious magazines and celebrities continues unabated, because the fashion industry has been callously ignoring stories like this throughout his entire career.
    In a Reddit post, a former model shared her experience "modeling" for Richardson five years ago. She says that she previously didn't feel comfortable discussing what had happened to her, but:

    I feel like it is extremely important for me to share my experience for the sake of other young women out there so I'm starting here. I want to not only warn against making the same mistake I did but possibly open up the dialogue about how/and why this sort of thing can happen so easily. Let me preface this by saying I am fully aware that this was bad decision making on my part and that the true purpose of me sharing this is I want people to know what is possible in these situations and that you as a human being are 100% allowed to say no to something you are uncomfortable with and I wish I had the strength to then.
    She says that she was 19 at the time and had started doing nude "art" modeling a few months prior. Her experiences doing so were "overall great," and she was "never touched or made to feel like I had to do something out of my comfort zone." With Terry Richardson, though, things were quite different.
    When she arrived at his studio, Richardson and his female assistant were casual and friendly. She signed some vague release forms and the shoot began; as it progressed, she alleges, Richardson's behavior grew increasingly inappropriate, then invasive, then completely fucked up — veering into the realm of sexual assault:
    I stood there and he started taking pics, assistant off to the side. Then he came up and took pictures POV style with his hand on my face. Then he put his thumb in my mouth, I actually thought this was funny in the moment and he and his assistant were very upbeat and just light heartedly directing me. Then he stepped back at some point and had me start removing my clothes (I knew I would be getting nude, so this was not weird to me). I remember he had me take stuff off in stages, he complimented a lot, his assistant too. Definitely the usual trying to make the barely legal model feel special kind of thing looking back. I honestly do not remember if the sexual stuff started by the wall or when he moved me to the couch area but at some point I was being directed to do things like hold the top of his pants while he took more POV style pictures, then eventually unbutton his pants and then his penis was out. Meanwhile it felt like it was all just happening and there was no time to step back and be like "woah this is out of hand". I dont think anyone who knows me would describe me as a particularly aggressive person (and definitely wasn't at 19) and the only way I can describe how I felt was nervous and paralyzed. At some point the assistant started taking pictures too with a crappy point and shoot camera. He had me posing on the couch and then I had my back to him and just literally felt him start licking my ass, like every part of it, and the assistant was taking pictures the whole time.Things were now completely pornographic and never once initiated by me. He was now on the couch with me and it became sexual act after sexual act, aggressive kissing, random sexual things being done to me and being directed to do everything you can think of back, everything slow so his assistant could photograph. He even directed me to squeeze his balls as hard as I could so that they pushed back up into his body. I did not even know that was possible (At least I learned something about the male anatomy that night?). I was completely a sex puppet at this point. It ended with him jacking off on to my face and he told me to keep my eyes open really wide and his assistant stood over me and it got in my eye and they both began taking pics of it for a what felt like 10 minutes but was probably only 30 seconds...
    She says that after the shoot she was "visibly in shock" and "quiet"; Richardson then asked if she had a boyfriend. When she said yes, he began "overly sweetly apologizing":
    [H]e said oh I always mean to ask that first I'm so sorry. This was the part that actually bothered me the most because A. I think what had just happened was hitting me and B. it felt so fake and planned and like a slap in the face.
    This part of the story is particularly infuriating because it indicates that Richardson is aware that the power dynamic between him — the well-connected, successful, famous photographer — and a 19-year-old model is skewed in such a way that it's easy to coerce an unwilling young woman into acting as a "sex puppet." This is only bolstered by the behavior of his assistant, whom the Reddit user says paid for her cab and "rode halfway with me and sort of comforted me I guess?" The assistant also gave the model "weird advice on how everything we did was ok and how I am clearly a strong girl but i wasn't even asking for advice."
    Consent isn't the absence of a forceful no: it's the presence of a yes. And, as is the case in so many of the allegations we've heard about Richardson, there was never a "yes" here — it's already become painfully evident that Richardson is a manipulative predator who's well aware of what he's doing. In the comments, when asked why she didn't leave the second he took his penis out, the poster put it thusly:
    I dont know [why I didn't leave]! I think it was fear and a an automatic disconnect happened inside my head or something. It felt like it happened so quickly. Their attitudes were so upbeat and like everything was just you know silly or cool or whatever that the blend from weird to crossing the line was somehow blurred as it happened.
    Why is anyone still working with him?

    Another Model Comes Forward With Horrible Terry Richardson Allegations

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    he's still up to his same old tricks. i still think he's a creepy asshole but again, she was never physically coerced and shit got creepy pretty early on in the game so WHY THE FUCK DID THE MODEL STAY AND LET HIM CUM ON HER FACE?
    these stories have been around for years, so it's not like models don't know what to expect with him, so why are they still letting him shoot them? why are agencies still using him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    he's still up to his same old tricks. i still think he's a creepy asshole but again, she was never physically coerced and shit got creepy pretty early on in the game so WHY THE FUCK DID THE MODEL STAY AND LET HIM CUM ON HER FACE?
    I think she explains it here:

    Meanwhile it felt like it was all just happening and there was no time to step back and be like "woah this is out of hand". I dont think anyone who knows me would describe me as a particularly aggressive person (and definitely wasn't at 19) and the only way I can describe how I felt was nervous and paralyzed.
    Things were now completely pornographic and never once initiated by me. He was now on the couch with me and it became sexual act after sexual act, aggressive kissing, random sexual things being done to me and being directed to do everything you can think of back, everything slow so his assistant could photograph.
    I could see why a 19-year-old would be nervous in that situation, especially with the assistant there.

    these stories have been around for years, so it's not like models don't know what to expect with him, so why are they still letting him shoot them? why are agencies still using him?
    I don't know, but she isn't the first one to come out against him this year. Sara Ziff and Alise Shoemaker did, too.

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    Jamie Peck was not complaining about Richardson as much as just describing him as pervy.

    ^^
    That's exactly what I was getting from it too.

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    I know I've said it before, but this is an industry that somehow gets off the hook for behavior that would embroil another company in massive lawsuits with huge payouts.

    I guess the problem with modeling is that there are photo shoots where the model, under terms of a contract, is nude or is portraying some kind of sexual behavior. That's just the nature of the industry and will never change.

    What Richardson appears to be doing, to skirt whatever rules actually exist, is to make himself a "model" too. He does this over and over again, even with celeb photos where there appears to be no hanky panky. He is still in the photo, posing with the celeb, as if anyone gives a rat's ass to see a picture of Richardson. Or the celeb is wearing Richardson's glasses. But when he does it, he's now "in the picture" and he is also a "model" - and it some cases it becomes a shoot with "two naked models" engaging in sketchy behavior.

    The fact that this seems to happen so often with barely legal models from foreign countries is even worse. A lot of them are coming from tough economic circumstances, need money desperately, have no adult chaperones in attendance, don't know what their rights are and probably barely understand what they are being asked to do before it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I know I've said it before, but this is an industry that somehow gets off the hook for behavior that would embroil another company in massive lawsuits with huge payouts.

    I guess the problem with modeling is that there are photo shoots where the model, under terms of a contract, is nude or is portraying some kind of sexual behavior. That's just the nature of the industry and will never change.

    What Richardson appears to be doing, to skirt whatever rules actually exist, is to make himself a "model" too. He does this over and over again, even with celeb photos where there appears to be no hanky panky. He is still in the photo, posing with the celeb, as if anyone gives a rat's ass to see a picture of Richardson. Or the celeb is wearing Richardson's glasses. But when he does it, he's now "in the picture" and he is also a "model" - and it some cases it becomes a shoot with "two naked models" engaging in sketchy behavior.

    The fact that this seems to happen so often with barely legal models from foreign countries is even worse. A lot of them are coming from tough economic circumstances, need money desperately, have no adult chaperones in attendance, don't know what their rights are and probably barely understand what they are being asked to do before it happens.
    I don't think it is a big deal. If it's what he does, then it's what he does. Why is it wrong if the models consent to it? It seems like they all have. The model above didn't say or do anything when he started doing what he did. He took her silence as consent and continued doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcoh View Post
    I don't think it is a big deal. If it's what he does, then it's what he does. Why is it wrong if the models consent to it? It seems like they all have. The model above didn't say or do anything when he started doing what he did. He took her silence as consent and continued doing it.
    In the United States, this behavior will typically will make you subject to criminal and civil penalties. There are EEOC rules and legal precedents against quid pro quo sexual harassment or creating a hostile work environment. Believe it or not, if you work at IBM, your boss cannot ask you to remove his pants while you are working on a marketing presentation with him.
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