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    Our Govt is considering refusing an entry visa for a US anti-vaccination loon planning to come here on a lecture tour. She claims to be a doctor (osteopath) and has quite a following among the lentil huggers.

    As well as telling people that vaccination is "dangerous and unnecessary" these morons also like to link it to the vast conspiracy between evil docs and profiteering big pharma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Our Govt is considering refusing an entry visa for a US anti-vaccination loon planning to come here on a lecture tour. She claims to be a doctor (osteopath) and has quite a following among the lentil huggers.

    As well as telling people that vaccination is "dangerous and unnecessary" these morons also like to link it to the vast conspiracy between evil docs and profiteering big pharma.
    An osteopath is a real MD. It does seem like osteopaths are overrepresented in alternative medicine, though (e.g. - Mercola).

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    Is it home schoolers not getting vacinated? When my boys were tots I had to show their immunization records to every daycare and preschool and so on. That was in the late 80's and the 90's. I thought it was mandatory. So who are all these people?
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    My daughter is 13 and I had to have her immunized for school too. I don't understand how (or if) these people get a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    An osteopath is a real MD. It does seem like osteopaths are overrepresented in alternative medicine, though (e.g. - Mercola).
    A fully trained and qualified medical doctor may go on to specialise in osteopathy but people who only train in that particular discipline are most certainly not MDs (in this country at least). Same applies to podiatrists, chiropractors, naturopaths, reflexologists, acupuncturists and other fringe/alternative medical practitioners. They may be excellent at what they do but they aren't "doctors" even though they may use the title.

    Having made that distinction, overall the Aussie medical establishment is often very open to certain "alternative" treatments like acupuncture or osteopathy and our medical insurance will usually cover it provided it's not too whacko and has a proven track record for being of benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    An osteopath is a real MD. It does seem like osteopaths are overrepresented in alternative medicine, though (e.g. - Mercola).
    An Osteopath is not an MD (Doctor of Medicine), their credentials are DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). They do not attend medical school, they attend osteopathic school. The focus is a drug free, non-invasive method of medical care- though they have the power to prescribe and perform surgeries. They work on the musculoskeletal system as the main part of their patient treatment/care. Most DOs are found in primary care practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed Hour View Post
    An Osteopath is not an MD (Doctor of Medicine), their credentials are DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). They do not attend medical school, they attend osteopathic school. The focus is a drug free, non-invasive method of medical care- though they have the power to prescribe and perform surgeries. They work on the musculoskeletal system as the main part of their patient treatment/care. Most DOs are found in primary care practice.
    From the Mayo Clinic:

    A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a fully trained and licensed doctor who has attended and graduated from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine (M.D.) has attended and graduated from a conventional (allopathic) medical school.
    The major difference between osteopathic and allopathic doctors is that some osteopathic doctors provide manual medicine therapies, such as spinal manipulation or massage therapy, as part of their treatment.
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    A family doctor/GP can usually be called upon to diagnose and treat most illnesses, perform minor surgery if necessary, CPR, deliver babies, deal with trauma victims, give psychiatric advice etc or he/she will know a specialist who can. An osteopath, not so much.

    There has always been a lot of professional tension and rivalry between MDs and other practitioners who claim to be doctors. Yes, they may be extremely skilled and experienced and very knowledgeable in their particular field of expertise but they ain't doctors despite what the Mayo Clinic says (does the Mayo offer DO courses BTW?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    A family doctor/GP can usually be called upon to diagnose and treat most illnesses, perform minor surgery if necessary, CPR, deliver babies, deal with trauma victims, give psychiatric advice etc or he/she will know a specialist who can. An osteopath, not so much.

    There has always been a lot of professional tension and rivalry between MDs and other practitioners who claim to be doctors. Yes, they may be extremely skilled and experienced and very knowledgeable in their particular field of expertise but they ain't doctors despite what the Mayo Clinic says (does the Mayo offer DO courses BTW?).
    An osteopath can perform surgery. There is an American College of Osteopathic Surgery.

    For what it's worth, the Mayo Clinic is one of the most widely respected hospitals in the world. While they appear to teach allopathic medicine, I don't think they don't differentiate between MD and DO's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    From the Mayo Clinic:

    A doctor of osteopathic medicine (D.O.) is a fully trained and licensed doctor who has attended and graduated from a U.S. osteopathic medical school. A doctor of medicine (M.D.) has attended and graduated from a conventional (allopathic) medical school.
    The major difference between osteopathic and allopathic doctors is that some osteopathic doctors provide manual medicine therapies, such as spinal manipulation or massage therapy, as part of their treatment.
    Dude, that's what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed Hour View Post
    Dude, that's what I said.
    Sorry, but you know how I always get you and A*O confused!

    By the way, all the physicians in my family are allopathic MDs, not osteopathic DOs.

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    *sigh*

    while some osteopaths do alternative medicine, there are a bunch who do typical family practice medicine. if you went to see them, you might not realize the diff between them and an MD unless you looked at their diploma. they are considered credentialed, so not in the same class as a chiropractor or non-MD naturopath.
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    now there are two documented measles cases in marin (north of SF) ....

    Two measles cases confirmed in Marin Wednesday - Marin Independent Journal

    there is currently a movement underway to prohibit unvaxxed kids from attending schools if there is a measles outbreak. will be interesting to see if that gets any traction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by czb View Post
    now there are two documented measles cases in marin (north of SF) ....

    Two measles cases confirmed in Marin Wednesday - Marin Independent Journal

    there is currently a movement underway to prohibit unvaxxed kids from attending schools if there is a measles outbreak. will be interesting to see if that gets any traction....
    I'm not optimistic. I heard someone arguing on CNN (and another two people arguing on Dr. Drew's HLN show), and you cannot tellt these people anything.

    There was a story on CNN's web site, I think, about a 6 month old that had to go into quarantine because a kid at the pediatrician's practice came in with the measles. The kid had anti-vax parents. And six-month-olds typically don't get innocculated for measles until 12 months. What a mess...

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    yeah, you are probably right.

    but to be honest, measles is not a death sentence, unless you are one of the poor immuno-suppressed peeps.

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