Maternity wards to widen delivery-room doors for obese mothers

[Trixie]

wishful thinking

[Novice]

Originally Posted by Trixiebelle

wishful thinking

You too? I thought I was alone.

[Trixie]

I might not say much but I have lots of thoughts.

[Novice]

Originally Posted by MrsDark

I'd like to know exactly how narrow these things are in the UK, because in every US hospital I've been to in the last...well....ever, maternity ward doorways...hell hospital doorways in general, for that matter...are pretty fucking wide already.

I thought that these hospital might be victorian, and when my dad worked in a victorian hospitan the double doors weren't particularly wide. Certainly difficult to get a bed through with e.g. monitors at the side, they had to go before or after,m depending on where the nurse stood with it.

In new hositals the double door ways seem to be 6-8ft wide..... certainly a LOT wider than victorian/older/etc hospitals.

Originally Posted by Trixiebelle

I might not say much but I have lots of thoughts.

LOLZ! I've noticed!
You should post them more, it would counter-balance all the post-whoring that goes on around here. Massive post counts - nothing to say... (unless you count bodily functions and passive-agressive "help me" posts).

[Dallas_Munro]

Originally Posted by Mel1973

why you gotta make the word OBESE big like that? making fun of FAT people, are you???

Naw, I just like to bludgeon home my point. OBVIOUSLY.

Originally Posted by SSDiva

DALLAS, I was already calm, and I was expressing myself. I don't care what size I am, I'm not going to let someone bash a group of people. It might not be right nor ok to be obese, but there are people out there who are and the last time I checked hurling insults isn't a way to encourage weight loss. And DALLAS the next time you have issue with me and one of my post...just ignore my fat sensitive ass...Please. Instead of calling me out...

I wasn't calling you out. I was quoting you and responding to you. Because your post struck a chord with me. Sorry if you felt called out, but you were so vocal and adamant! I simply had to respond!

Agree to disagree? Unless you have fat fingers. Cuz that's a deal-breaker. *exchanges glances with self*

Originally Posted by MrsMarsters

We know that overweight people have a higher mortality rate than thin people. We also know that black people have a higher mortality rate than white people. Do we subject black people to torturous treatments to bleach their skin? Of course not. We have enough sense to know skin bleaching will not eliminate sickle-cell anemia. So why do we have blind faith weight loss will cure the disease associated with obesity?
Of course these two aren't related, but I think you get what I am trying to say?

Hunh?? The only thing I understand is the bold part, so here's my response to that: I don't have blind faith that weight loss will cure the disease associated with obesity (whatever that is). But if someone is obese, I do have blind faith that not being obese would be healthier. Because being obese isn't healthy.

[WhoAmI]

We know it's true -- that if someone with diabetes loses 5% to 10% of their weight, they will significantly reduce their blood sugar," Nonas tells WebMD.

"We see it all the time: people can get off their insulin and their medication," she says. "It's wonderful. It shows you how interwoven obesity and diabetes are."

Even losing 10 or 15 pounds has health benefits, says the American Diabetes Association. It can:

* Lower blood sugar.
* Reduce blood pressure.
* Improve cholesterol levels.
* Lighten the stress on hips, knees, ankles and feet.

Plus, you'll probably have more energy, get around easier, and breathe easier

Diabetes and Weight Loss: The Right Path

[nwgirl]

Late to the party as usual.

Can I just call total bullshit on fattie bashers actually giving a rats ass about fatties' health? Or whether they're a drain on the system? Puuuuh-leeze. You can kiss my fat size 12/14 ass.

And what, if you have a medical issue that you "caused" yourself, that means you don't get special accommodations or treatment? Smokers beware - better not get emphysema, cause oxygen is reserved for those that didn't do it to themselves. Alkie whose liver is shot? No meds for you. Not paying attention when you're driving and you end up a quadriplegic? Scoot your ass around with your chin cause wheelchairs are only for those that didn't do it to themselves.

You know how many skinny fucking people I see eating fried food, fast food, high carb meals, drinking every night whose shopping carts are full of processed foods, and are on a list of meds that's longer than my arm? Or how many skinny people are on the dole, have kids in foster care, get free or reduced lunches, free healthcare, free or reduced housing, energy assistance and are in general, a drain to the system? Too many to count. But that's okay, cause at least they're not fat.

Just cause you're skinny (whether it's cause you were blessed with a high metabolism or good genes or cause you work out every day and think a treat is raw carrots), doesn't mean that you're any fucking better, healthier or less of a drain on the system than a fattie. What? You think fatties single handedly keep the junk and fast food, pharmaceutical and welfare industries in business? Think again.

The fucking ignorance and intolerance of some people is truly astounding. Just say that fat is gross, disgusting, hard on the eyes and scares you cause it's your worst fear to ever be considered fat. But don't fucking insult my intelligence by hiding behind 'not healthy' 'drain on the system' or best yet 'fatties have unhealthy children.' Jesus Christ.

Unless you're a murderer, rapist, kid fucker or other miscreant, you should have unrestricted access to whatever care you need, without being shamed or discriminated against. If that means some damn doors need to be widened, then so be it. I'm sure most of those people who need wider doors, or bigger beds, or vetrinarian scales to get weighed wouldn't begrudge skinny people getting treatment they need, even if meant some special accommodations needed to be made even if *gasp* it was something you caused yourself.

[Mivvi21]

^^You said everything I wanted to say,but couldn't put into words.

[*DIVA!]

Originally Posted by nwgirl

Late to the party as usual.

Can I just call total bullshit on fattie bashers actually giving a rats ass about fatties' health? Or whether they're a drain on the system? Puuuuh-leeze. You can kiss my fat size 12/14 ass.

And what, if you have a medical issue that you "caused" yourself, that means you don't get special accommodations or treatment? Smokers beware - better not get emphysema, cause oxygen is reserved for those that didn't do it to themselves. Alkie whose liver is shot? No meds for you. Not paying attention when you're driving and you end up a quadriplegic? Scoot your ass around with your chin cause wheelchairs are only for those that didn't do it to themselves.

You know how many skinny fucking people I see eating fried food, fast food, high carb meals, drinking every night whose shopping carts are full of processed foods, and are on a list of meds that's longer than my arm? Or how many skinny people are on the dole, have kids in foster care, get free or reduced lunches, free healthcare, free or reduced housing, energy assistance and are in general, a drain to the system? Too many to count. But that's okay, cause at least they're not fat.

Just cause you're skinny (whether it's cause you were blessed with a high metabolism or good genes or cause you work out every day and think a treat is raw carrots), doesn't mean that you're any fucking better, healthier or less of a drain on the system than a fattie. What? You think fatties single handedly keep the junk and fast food, pharmaceutical and welfare industries in business? Think again.

The fucking ignorance and intolerance of some people is truly astounding. Just say that fat is gross, disgusting, hard on the eyes and scares you cause it's your worst fear to ever be considered fat. But don't fucking insult my intelligence by hiding behind 'not healthy' 'drain on the system' or best yet 'fatties have unhealthy children.' Jesus Christ.

Unless you're a murderer, rapist, kid fucker or other miscreant, you should have unrestricted access to whatever care you need, without being shamed or discriminated against. If that means some damn doors need to be widened, then so be it. I'm sure most of those people who need wider doors, or bigger beds, or vetrinarian scales to get weighed wouldn't begrudge skinny people getting treatment they need, even if meant some special accommodations needed to be made even if *gasp* it was something you caused yourself.

You said it more eloquently than I ever could.

[Rica]

size 12/14 isnt obese

[*DIVA!]

Originally Posted by Rica

size 12/14 isnt obese

What size is obese to you, Rica? Because clothing sizes don't tell you a person's BMI..

[nwgirl]

Originally Posted by Rica

size 12/14 isnt obese

According to BMI charts, I'm .3 points away from being obese. So, while by my size I may not look obese, if I told people my weight, they'd die. Just my weight alone would be enough to send some women into suicidal thoughts.

Forget that I could bench and leg press more than most regular men. Or that I could beat Kate Moss or just about any other skinny minny model in just about any kind of physical activity known to man, and I'm not even that physically inclined.

My point was that fatties don't have the market cornered on every societal ill, no matter what some would like to think.

[Rica]

BMI is a flawed and shouldnt be taken as being an accurate assessment of if someone is obese or not

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by nwgirl

Late to the party as usual.

Can I just call total bullshit on fattie bashers actually giving a rats ass about fatties' health? Or whether they're a drain on the system? Puuuuh-leeze. You can kiss my fat size 12/14 ass.

And what, if you have a medical issue that you "caused" yourself, that means you don't get special accommodations or treatment? Smokers beware - better not get emphysema, cause oxygen is reserved for those that didn't do it to themselves. Alkie whose liver is shot? No meds for you. Not paying attention when you're driving and you end up a quadriplegic? Scoot your ass around with your chin cause wheelchairs are only for those that didn't do it to themselves.

You know how many skinny fucking people I see eating fried food, fast food, high carb meals, drinking every night whose shopping carts are full of processed foods, and are on a list of meds that's longer than my arm? Or how many skinny people are on the dole, have kids in foster care, get free or reduced lunches, free healthcare, free or reduced housing, energy assistance and are in general, a drain to the system? Too many to count. But that's okay, cause at least they're not fat.

Just cause you're skinny (whether it's cause you were blessed with a high metabolism or good genes or cause you work out every day and think a treat is raw carrots), doesn't mean that you're any fucking better, healthier or less of a drain on the system than a fattie. What? You think fatties single handedly keep the junk and fast food, pharmaceutical and welfare industries in business? Think again.

The fucking ignorance and intolerance of some people is truly astounding. Just say that fat is gross, disgusting, hard on the eyes and scares you cause it's your worst fear to ever be considered fat. But don't fucking insult my intelligence by hiding behind 'not healthy' 'drain on the system' or best yet 'fatties have unhealthy children.' Jesus Christ.

Unless you're a murderer, rapist, kid fucker or other miscreant, you should have unrestricted access to whatever care you need, without being shamed or discriminated against. If that means some damn doors need to be widened, then so be it. I'm sure most of those people who need wider doors, or bigger beds, or vetrinarian scales to get weighed wouldn't begrudge skinny people getting treatment they need, even if meant some special accommodations needed to be made even if *gasp* it was something you caused yourself.

Great rant! Two thumbs up.

Originally Posted by Rica

size 12/14 isnt obese

You really don't get it, do you?

[Novice]

Originally Posted by Rica

BMI is a flawed and shouldnt be taken as being an accurate assessment of if someone is obese or not

No shit, Sherlock - but it is.

And those of us who have higher BMIs have to put up with the shit spewed in this thread on a daily basis.

No-one talks about the slim girls that take coke or throw up to stay that way, and I've seen a lot of that in my time.