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    How deep is deep? Imagining the MH370 search underwater - CNN.com

    How deep is deep? Imagining the MH370 search underwater
    By Holly Yan and Ed Lavandera, CNN
    updated 8:22 PM EDT, Thu April 10, 2014

    (CNN) -- Just how hard is it to find a plane at the bottom of the ocean?

    Imagine standing on a mountain top and trying to spot a suitcase on the ground below. Then imagine doing it in complete darkness.

    That's basically what crews searching for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 have been trying to do for a month.

    Thursday is Day 34 in the search for the plane that disappeared March 8, taking with it 239 passengers and crew members.

    Officials believe the Boeing 777, while en route from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

    Pinning their hopes on signals they think came from the plane's black boxes, they narrowed the focus of their search Thursday to a 22,400-square-mile (58,000-square-kilometer) area -- about 45 times the size of Los Angeles.

    But the real challenge is the depth of the water they're dealing with.

    How to hunt for pings

    Staggering depths

    The underwater pulses that were detected Saturday, and again Tuesday, came from the ocean floor 15,000 feet below the surface. That's 2.8 miles (4.5 kilometers). On Thursday, said officials said another signal may have been detected from sonar buoys.

    How deep is 2.8 miles? It's deeper than an inverted Statue of Liberty (305 feet), deeper than an inverted Eiffel Tower (1,063 feet), deeper even than an inverted Burj Khalifa, the tallest building in the world (2,717 feet).

    In fact, if you stacked the Burj end-to-end five times, it would reach only 14,000 feet -- still not deep enough to reach the spot searchers believe the pings are coming from.

    At these depths, marine life is unlike anything most people have ever seen.

    "The deeper you go you find less and less," marine biologist Paula Carlson said. "They have to be very cold tolerant, they might not even have eyes. They may be blind, because they don't need to see, there's no light down there."


    Keep plunging

    The pressure at nearly 15,000 feet is crushing -- so much so that very few manned submarines can withstand it.

    "There are only about half a dozen subs that can go to half the ocean depth with a number of countries having that capability," said Sylvia Earle, an oceanographer for National Geographic. "If it gets to the point of collapse, it basically implodes, it just crushes."

    Only a handful of people have traveled to such staggering depths. One of them is movie director James Cameron, who using a state-of-the-art vessel, dropped 35,000 feet, or about 7 miles, to the deepest place on Earth -- the Challenger Deep in the western Pacific Ocean.


    A daunting task

    Finding the plane is daunting. Bringing it back from the deep will be even more difficult.

    "At these depths ... there's no recovery like it," said Mary Schiavo, a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation.

    When the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank in the Atlantic, it took some 70 years to discover the wreckage. It was resting 12,500 feet below the ocean's surface, and it still lies there today.

    When Air France Flight 447, with 228 people on board, plunged into the South Atlantic Ocean during a storm in 2009, the precise location of the wreckage remained a mystery for almost two years.

    Then the plane and its dead were found in a mountain range 13,100-feet deep on the ocean floor. Miniature submersible vehicles retrieved the Flight 447's voice and flight data recorders.

    Eventually 154 bodies were recovered. Seventy-four still rest in the watery grave.

    Not giving up

    But Amirtham Arupilai isn't accepting that fate for her son, Puspanathan, who was on board MH370.

    "My inside and my heart is telling me still they are alive -- all the passengers are alive," Arupilai said.

    Her son, an IT specialist, was headed to Beijing to begin a new job. To his parents, he was everything.


    She calls Puspanathan's cell phone and hears his voice mail greeting. She takes it as a sign he must be safe.


    Four reasons to believe; six reasons to doubt
    More pings raise more questions
    What happens after the Malaysian plane's pingers die?


    How deep is deep? Imagining the MH370 search underwater - CNN.com

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    This sentence "Then the plane and its dead were found in a mountain range 13,100-feet deep on the ocean floor." bent my brain for a wee bit, took me a second or two to remember that there are mountains under the water.

    I was just watching Sky news there and they were talking to the commander of a navy ship that's helping with the investigation. The commander said that they're working on narrowing down the search area now before they send down an ummanned submersible to search. The search area is currently 500 square miles. I wonder how they'll recover the bodies when they find it.
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    She calls Puspanathan's cell phone and hears his voice mail greeting. She takes it as a sign he must be safe.
    This breaks my heart.
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    Bits and pieces of possible wreckage were found on a WA beach near Albany but it was yet another false alarm. Yes, they SAY they have confirmed a few "pings" (now ceased) and yes, the seabed is 3 miles deep in that area but they still haven't found a suitcase, a shoe, a meal tray, a seat cushion, a life jacket - nothing. My shot down/coverup theory stands. The cost of this wild goose chase so far stands at $100m.
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    So now the theory is that it has landed somewhere....
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-a...1.html#fgtbsnZ

    And the people at a Maldiv island who reported a low flying large plane 6hrs after it disappeared from radars are not happy that their report was accused as false report.

    Hmmm, I put the name of the island in google maps, zoomed out and it seems like a pretty direct route to Africa to me. Who knows, who knows... ETA: others say Kazakhstan. Lots of possibilities. The world is huge.

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    31 April - and now a mining exploration company has found a pile of aluminium, copper, etc on the seabed in the Bay of Bengal, 5000km from the current search area. The mystery wreckage wasn't there in images taken 2 days before the plane vanished. The former Malaysian PM says it's Boeings fault for making it too easy for someone to turn off the comms.
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    KUALA LUMPUR, May 4 — Foreign investigators involved in the probe on MH370 have requested for a full report on the 11 Malaysians arrested earlier this week on suspicion of terrorism, the International Business Times (IBTimes) reported. -

    The New York-based digital publication quoted an unnamed officer from the counter-terrorism division of Malaysia’s Special Branch as having revealed that the 11 were interrogated yesterday over MH370’s mysterious disappearance nearly two months ago.


    “The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group,” the officer was quoted as saying.


    The IBTimes news report also said it is believed the 11 who were arrested at several locations within the city here and in Kedah over the past week may be members of a new terror group that has been planning bomb attacks in Muslim countries.


    The 11 are aged between 22 and 55 and includes Saiden Ismail from student activist group Solidariti Anak Muda Malaysia (SAMM).


    The group was hauled up by Malaysian police under the Security Offences (Special Measures) Act 2012 (SOSMA) for their alleged involvement in a plan to fight in Syria’s civil war.


    The Malaysian authorities also believe the 11 may be linked to Yazid Sufaat, who was previously detained under counter-terrorism laws for trying to incite terror outside the country.


    “There is some link,” Home Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said on Friday.


    Yazid was arrested last year for openly calling on volunteers to join Sunni rebels in the armed fight against the forces of Syria’s Shiah president Bashir al-Asad.


    The Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 took off from the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) at 12.41am on March 8 and disappeared barely an hour later when it lost contact with the Subang Air Traffic Control (ATC).


    At the time, the plane’s last known location was 120 nautical miles off the coast of Kota Baru in Kelantan.


    But a week after the aircraft’s mysterious disappearance, Malaysia announced that the Boeing 777 jetliner had diverted from its path to Beijing through deliberate action and that it was focusing investigations on the 12 crew and 227 passengers on board.


    The announcement suggested the possibility of pilot suicide or a terrorist attempt by a person or persons aboard the wide-body jet. But no leads have been found yet to prove this.


    Investigators, which include a massive team of experts from around the world, have so far concluded that the aircraft carrying 239 people had “ended” in the Indian Ocean, based on satellite and radar data.


    But this is thousands of kilometres away from MH370’s original flight path to Beijing.


    - See more at: Report: MH370 investigators demand info on 11 Malaysian terror suspects | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online


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    I would think if it were terrorists we'd know what happened by now either because the plane would have crashed/blown up in a obvious place or because the terrorist group would have taken credit for the missing plane. The whole point of terrorism is to terrorize, and you can't do that if no one knows what you did.
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    Unless they need a massive plane for future terrorising

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    That's a great movie-of-the-week plot but I can't see it working. You'd have to be able to hide it somewhere.
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    Well, apparently they have!
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    ^^ Indeed.

    I'm still interested in the Maldives story. And still in A*O's conspiracy camp, I think. This has just all smelled like bullshit from the very first day.
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    The first of no doubt many books has been published about this. It says there was a US/Thai joint military exercise (news to me) in the area where contact was first lost. That, combined with an oil rig worker's eyewitness (under-reported) account of seeing a large midair explosion and burning wreckage falling into the sea around the same time would seem to support the theory that the plane was accidentally shot down (remember TW800?) and this massive and fruitless search thousands of km's elsewhere is a coverup.

    The Aussie Govt has spent $89million so far on this wild goose chase. That would build a nice new country town hospital somewhere.
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    The thing that perplexes me is that, assuming the plane crashed into water (for whatever reason), it must have been a fairly high-impact crash, and thus there must have been a lot of debris scattered across a fairly wide area. How has none of it been found/seen by oil rig workers/shipping vessels/fishermen/been washed up ashore? I don't get it.
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    Slushie - nobody gets it.
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