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Old December 5th, 2007, 07:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Damn no place is safe anymore huh?
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Old December 5th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
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This $hit is getting ridiculous!!!!!
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Old December 5th, 2007, 07:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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nothing worth venturing out anymore. idiots everywhere.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Watch the Democrats turn this into a "take away our guns" crusade.

Those poor people.

(The 8 victims, that is.)
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Old December 5th, 2007, 08:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Watch the Democrats turn this into a "take away our guns" crusade.
I doubt it.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 09:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You just can't go anywhere anymore without fear of being shot. This really is a scary time to be living in.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 04:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Watch the Democrats turn this into a "take away our guns" crusade.

god forbid they use common sense. that's for socialists that want to take away your freedumb
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Old December 6th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #23 (permalink)
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He was a 4chan poster. I wasn't shocked.
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Editing to add there is now some doubt about whether or not this was faked.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 09:27 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Mall gunman made call about suicide note - Yahoo! News

(In my gut I knew it, just another in a long list of disgruntled teenagers that want that last sick bit of notoriety and fame in our celebrity/media obsessed society, like that Virginia Tech shooter and others of their ilk)

Mall gunman made call about suicide note

Less than an hour before he killed eight people and himself in a mall shooting spree, a troubled teenage gunman called the woman who had taken him in to tell her about a suicide note — but she said Thursday she never thought he would hurt anyone but himself.
Debora Maruca-Kovac told CBS's "The Early Show" she found the note after Robert A. Hawkins, 19, called to thank her and her family for their help, to express his love, and to tell her he had left the note behind.
"He had said how much he loved his family and all his friends and how he was sorry he was a burden to everybody and his whole life he was a piece of (expletive) and now he'll be famous," she said, describing the note. "I was fearful that he was going to try to commit suicide but I had no idea that he would involve so many other families."
Hawkins carried out his shooting spree from the third floor of the Westroads Mall, the bullets from his rifle cutting through the sound of Christmas music as he terrorized shoppers and employees.
The shooting came after a series of troubling events in his life: He had split with his girlfriend and lost his job. He had a criminal record and had left or been kicked out of his parents' house.
Police Chief Thomas Warren said the shooting appeared to be random and that the dead included five females and four males, including the gunman.
Investigators plan to examine text messages sent between Hawkins and his girlfriend, as well as his computer's hard drive for any Internet communications that could explain how he plotted the shootings, Warren told CNN.
The names of the victims were not released, but officials planned to provide more details in a news conference Thursday morning. Churches in the area were setting up vigils to pray for survivors and remember the dead.
Hawkins moved from his family's home about a year ago. Maruca-Kovac and her husband, whose sons were friends with Hawkins, welcomed him into their home and tried to help him.
"When he first came in the house, he was introverted, a troubled young man who was like a lost pound puppy that nobody wanted," Maruca-Kovac told The Associated Press.
She told the Omaha World-Herald that the night before the shooting, Hawkins and her sons showed her an SKS semiautomatic Russian military rifle — the same type used in the shooting. She said she thought the gun belonged to a member of Hawkins' family. She said she didn't think much of it — the gun looked too old to work.
Records in Sarpy and Washington counties showed Hawkins had a felony drug conviction and several misdemeanor cases filed against him, including an arrest 11 days before the shooting for having alcohol as a minor. He was due in court in two weeks.
Maruca-Kovac said Hawkins had recently broken up with a girlfriend and was fired from McDonald's. She told the World-Herald that Hawkins said he had been fired after being accused of stealing $17 from his till at the restaurant. McDonald's management declined to comment to the newspaper.
Maruca-Kovac said he phoned her at about 1 p.m. Wednesday, telling her he had left a note. She tried to get him to explain.
"He said, 'It's too late,'" and hung up, she told CNN. She then called Hawkins' mother.
In the note, which was turned over to authorities, Hawkins wrote that he was "sorry for everything" and would not be a burden on his family anymore. More ominously, he wrote, "Now I'll be famous."
Maruca-Kovac went to her job as a nurse at the Nebraska Medical Center, where victims of the shooting soon began to arrive.

The first 911 call came in at 1:42 p.m., and the shooting was already over when police arrived six minutes later, authorities said.
"We sent every available officer in the city of Omaha," Sgt. Teresa Negron said.
Hawkins opened fire in a Von Maur store, part of a Midwestern chain. The World-Herald reported that the gunman had a military-style haircut and a black backpack, and wore a camouflage vest.
Mickey Vickory, who worked in the store's third-floor service department, said she heard shots and went with coworkers and customers into a back closet, emerging about a half-hour later when police shouted to come out with their hands up. As police led them to another part of the mall for safety, they saw the victims.
"We saw the bodies and we saw the blood," she said.
Keith Fidler, another Von Maur employee, said he heard a burst of five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more rounds. Fidler said he huddled in the corner of the men's clothing department with about a dozen other employees until police yelled to get out of the store.
Witness Shawn Vidlak said the shots sounded like a nail gun. At first he thought it was noise from construction work at the mall.
"People started screaming about gunshots," Vidlak said. "I grabbed my wife and kids. We got out of there as fast as we could."
Nebraska Medical Center spokeswoman Andrea McMaster said the hospital had three victims from the mall shooting, including Fred Wilson, 61, who was in critical condition early Thursday with a bullet wound to his chest.
Another critically wounded victim was at Creighton University Medical Center, spokeswoman Lisa Stites said.
On Wednesday night, police used a bomb robot to access a Jeep Cherokee left in the mall parking lot that authorities believe belonged to Hawkins. Officers had seen some wires under some clothing, but no bomb was found.
President Bush was in Omaha on Wednesday for a fundraiser, but left about an hour before the shooting.
"Having just visited with so many members of the community in Omaha today, the president is confident that they will pull together to comfort one another," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.
The sprawling, three-level mall has more than 135 stores and restaurants. It gets 14.5 million visitors every year, according to its Web site.
It was the second mass shooting at a mall this year. In February, nine people were shot, five of them fatally, at Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City. The gunman, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic, was shot and killed by police. The shooting spree was Nebraska's deadliest since January 1958, when Charles Starkweather killed 10 people in Nebraska and another in Wyoming.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 11:22 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I actually live in Omaha and live about 12 miles from Westroads mall where the shooting took place. It is an absolute nightmare. I know this can happen anywhere but everyone in the city of Omaha is so shaken up and horrified about this...

Westroads was that one place where everyone gathered with friends and family and it felt like a safe place, no one believed anything like this would happen...not in Omaha. (I know that may sound naive but it's true...)

Like one of our locals pondered in a radio interview: "Where is safe?"

I used to shop at Westroads all the time and was actually going to go there yesterday to do some Christmas shopping!!! I was getting ready to go there like a half hour before the shooting occured but I left my cell phone at my apartment and I ended up staying home because my room mate got home early and wanted to watch a movie.

But It's so scary to think about...I could have been there when it happened...I was so close to being there around the time that the shooting occured, it could have been me...It's very scary to think about...

It's just one of those things that shouldn't have happened...such a horrible tragedy...

We are just all pretty much still in a state of shock...and all of our prayers are with the families of the victims...
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Old December 6th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #26 (permalink)
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MoodyJenny-Wow, talk about a close call. I definitely would be shaken up over it.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 11:49 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Shit can happen anywhere, anytime. There is no one or nothing to blame but the fucktard coward loser who couldn't deal with life so he took it out on innocent people. It's not McDonald's fault for firing him or his girlfriend's fault for leaving him and it's not reality tv's fault for turning everybody into 15 minute fame whores.It's not even the fault of the company that made the gun he shot people with. It's HIS fault and we need to stop being so fucking desperate that we always need to blame 5 or 6 other entities whenever somebody does something awful. It used to be good enough to hold the wrongdoer repsponsible, why can't that still be good enough?
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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Shit can happen anywhere, anytime. There is no one or nothing to blame but the fucktard coward loser who couldn't deal with life so he took it out on innocent people. It's not McDonald's fault for firing him or his girlfriend's fault for leaving him and it's not reality tv's fault for turning everybody into 15 minute fame whores.It's not even the fault of the company that made the gun he shot people with. It's HIS fault and we need to stop being so fucking desperate that we always need to blame 5 or 6 other entities whenever somebody does something awful. It used to be good enough to hold the wrongdoer repsponsible, why can't that still be good enough?
While I agree that this person and others of their ilk are solely to blame, there is no denying that these kinds of shooters are in fact desperate for publicity and fame their sick souls desire. So it's not enough just to kill themselves, they need to show the world that they are 'important' and need attention. Why do you think that virginia tech shooter, before going on his rampage, made multiple videos that he sent to various media outlets? So I think the society we live in now, where everyone and their little brothers can be famous so easily via the internet, youtube, etc., and the way self esteem is linked with hero worship and celebrity and all that noise, how can it not be a factor when someone decides to go out with a huge bang
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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:23 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Eh, it can happen anywhere.. 2 gangs opened up on each other right smack dab in the middle of downtown Toronto in 2005 the day after xmas, killing a girl by accident who was just shopping.

Right on the busiest corner they started blasting at each other. Fucking insane.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:40 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Of course shootings and killings can happen anywhere, but we're talking here about people that have a sick need to kill as many people as they can before killing themselves. There is no logical motive, such as gang warfare or road rage or any of that. Just a simple desire to go out with a bang and be "famous"
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