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    Doesn't happen often but I'm just speechless.

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    I'm sick to my stomach.
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    Every time i read a new bit about this story, I'm sickened and saddened even more. I wonder if Jaycee and her girls can ever adjust to normal life with caring family. Jaycee atleast can re-find memories of the normal life she used to have. But the daughters have never known normal.

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    This is a sad article but recovery isn't always guaranteed for victims like these:

    For kidnap victims, recovery can be rare -- latimes.com
    With few cases to guide them, mental health experts find it hard to fathom how victims like Jaycee Lee Dugard can put the pieces back together and live some semblance of a normal existence.

    By Karen Kaplan, Thomas H. Maugh II and Shari Roan
    6:55 PM PDT, August 29, 2009

    For kidnap victims like Jaycee Lee Dugard, recovery is rare.

    A full portion of her life -- her entire teens and 20s -- was poisoned by her abduction at age 11 and the 18 years of brutal captivity and deprivation that followed. So uncommon are situations like hers that mental health experts have few examples to guide them.

    They can turn to the case of Natascha Kampusch of Vienna, kidnapped at age 10 on her way to school in 1998 and held for 8 1/2 years before escaping. After an apparent recovery that included her own television talk show and celebrity dating, she retreated into her apartment and rarely leaves it now.

    Or they can look to Elisabeth Fritzl of Amstetten, Austria, dragged into a dungeon by her father at 18 and held for 24 years as she gave birth to seven children. Despite extensive rehabilitation, media reports indicate she is not doing well.

    Even psychologists and psychiatrists skilled at confronting the worst of human nature find it hard to fathom how Dugard can put the pieces back together and live some semblance of a normal existence.

    Things could well be worse for Dugard's two daughters, who were born into captivity in a ramshackle Antioch compound and have known only lives of deprivation. They have never attended school or visited a doctor, and their father -- alleged captor Phillip Garrido -- is now in El Dorado County Jail facing charges of rape, kidnapping and other criminal offenses.

    For all three, adjusting to freedom will be a long, arduous process.

    Dugard's top priority should be to get reacquainted with her mother -- though not too fast -- and begin intensive psychological and psychiatric treatment, experts said.

    She is at risk for post-traumatic stress disorder now that her ordeal is over. But if proper steps are taken early, the chances of her developing that, and other problems such as depression, can be minimized.

    Still, the psychological scars from her experience will probably affect her day-to-day life for the foreseeable future and may make it impossible for her to ever live on her own, hold a job or form lasting romantic relationships.

    "The adjustment to the outside world is going to be very brutal," said psychologist Naftali Berrill, director of the New York Center for Neuropsychology and Forensic Behavioral Science. "How do you undo years of abuse, years of being held captive?"

    Studies of children who have suffered abuse and neglect have found the victims have a high risk of suicide, depression and sexual acting-out.

    And a 2000 study of 24 kidnap victims from Italy found that 46% suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and 38% were diagnosed with major depression after their release. More than two-thirds reported "intrusive recollections," maintained a state of hyper-vigilance and said they had a sense of a "foreshortened future." The average length of captivity among these people was only 99 days.

    "The picture is not rosy," said psychologist John Lutzker, an expert on child maltreatment who teaches at Georgia State University.


    In the first weeks and months after a kidnap victim is freed, he or she is likely to experience anxiety, tension, sleep disturbances, loneliness, headaches and intestinal problems, among other symptoms.

    In Europe, kidnap victims are placed in residential treatment centers to give them time to adjust to their changed circumstances, but there are no equivalents in the United States, said Katherine van Wormer of the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, who has studied the behavior of kidnapping victims. Both Kampusch and Fritzl were treated in such facilities.

    A key issue for Dugard, now 29, will be how she re-establishes her relationship with her mother, Terry Probyn, who lives in Riverside County.

    Mother and daughter should resist the urge to try to pick up their lives as left off in June 1991, when Dugard was abducted in her South Lake Tahoe neighborhood as she walked to a bus stop. Dugard "needs to be in intensive therapy and slowly come back so that her emotional feelings can be transferred back to her mother," van Wormer said.

    And though it may seem cathartic to recount 18 years' worth of horrific details, this might make matters worse.

    "It runs the risk of really overwhelming Jaycee with the entirety of what she's going through instead of helping her very, very gradually face the new day-to-day issues of creating a life in this larger world," said Dr. Jim McCracken, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at UCLA's David Geffen School of Medicine.

    You especially don't want to discuss details of the ordeal in public.

    The parents of Shawn Hornbeck were roundly criticized when they appeared with their 15-year-old son on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" in 2007, less than a week after he was rescued from the suburban St. Louis apartment of kidnapper Michael Devlin. The 11-year-old had been bicycling near his Richwoods, Mo., home when Devlin snatched him.

    Hornbeck's parents told the national TV audience that their son suffered sexual abuse during his 4 1/2 years of captivity. Media critics and mental health experts were appalled.


    Therapy is not just for the victim. Probyn may also need counseling to help her deal with feelings of abandonment and adjust to the fact that her daughter is no longer a little girl, experts said. She may struggle with things Dugard might say that seem infuriating, such as expressing sympathy or affection for her captors.

    Such feelings are not uncommon among those who have been kidnapped: Kampusch, whose captor, Wolfgang Priklopil, committed suicide after her escape, mourned his death and purchased the house in which she was held for those 8 1/2 years.

    Carl Probyn, Dugard's stepfather, said his wife told him that Dugard "feels guilty about bonding with" Garrido. (The Probyns are separated.)

    "I think he had total control," Carl Probyn said. "Maybe she felt guilty because she didn't fight him off."


    Ed Smart, whose 14-year-old daughter, Elizabeth, was abducted in June 2002 from her Salt Lake City bedroom and held for nine months by a pair of drifters, said the family saw a psychiatrist for some time.

    But they did not ask her to relive or explain the experience to them. She was encouraged to return to activities she had enjoyed before the abduction and has focused on not dwelling on what happened.

    Smart said the biggest hurdle is helping the victim know she has nothing to feel guilty about. Society, he said, may ask: "Why didn't you run away?"

    "But this is not her fault," he said.

    Dugard's two daughters, 11 and 15, will certainly complicate their mother's recovery. They "are constant traumatic reminders," McCracken said. "At every moment, they would tend to evoke memories, feelings, even flashbacks of the traumatic experience."

    But the girls may have helped her cope with captivity, and the relationships she has with them could now make it easier for her to form attachments with others, van Wormer said.

    "It's better that she had the children," she said. "She wasn't alone."

    In many ways, the task of building a normal life will be harder for the daughters.

    If they haven't already learned basic skills like reading and writing, it's not too late for them to do so -- though it will be more difficult because of their deprivation. And though they will need intensive therapy, they have one advantage of youth: adaptability.

    But unlike Dugard, who according to her stepfather recalls a lot about her life before the kidnapping, they don't have any memory of a well-adjusted childhood to draw on.

    All they have known is the bizarre dominion Garrido had in his Antioch home.

    "These children have missed normal developmental stages for their entire lives," said psychologist Frederic Bemak of George Mason University, an expert in child and human trafficking. "It's almost like they are from another planet."

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    Thanks, Celeb. Sad, but a good analysis.

    Here's a strange little story. I wonder what the neighbor's house has to do with it?


    The Associated Press: Police in Calif. expand probe to neighbor's house
    By PAUL ELIAS (AP) – 2 hours ago


    ANTIOCH, Calif. — Police have expanded the boundaries of the Jaycee Lee Dugard kidnapping crime scene to include the house next to Dugard's alleged abductors.

    Police on Saturday wrapped yellow crime scene tape around the home and property next to Nancy and Phillip Garrido's Antioch home.

    Police from three agencies have been searching the Garridos' property since they were arrested Wednesday on suspicion of abducting Dugard 18 years ago.

    Neighbors identified Damon Robinson as a resident of the house next to the Garridos. Robinson has said he lived there for more than three years and it was his then-girlfriend in 2006 who called police after she saw tents and children in the backyard.

    Robinson didn't return a telephone call after his home was declared a crime scene.
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    The sad thing is that the media is drooling all over all the details of the story, particularly the sicko sex bits. And unfortunately many of us are lapping it up. It's hard not to, I guess. It's like driving past a car crash. You do and you don't want to look. Poor woman, poor, kids, poor mother, poor step-father. It's really sad and a real shame that there are no residential centers for people who have lived through ordeals like this. Too bad all those scary socialist countries have them, eh?
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    There is a snippet in Daily Mail that suggests that he pimped her out in sex parties.

    Jaycee may also have been forced to take part in orgies in the backyard where she was held, the News of the World reports.

    A neighbour said he saw men lining up in Garrido's garden, before entering the tents 'one by one'.
    Mike Rogers, 49, told the newspaper that he once peered through the garden fence during an 'excessively loud' party next door.
    'What I saw was not normal,' he said. 'Eight to 10 men, mostly Mexican, would gather in a line in his garden drinking beer, yelling and screaming and swearing.

    'They normally had a bonfire and I saw them entering the tent one by one. On a number of occasions I saw them bobbing up and down through the window and I thought, 'My God, there is something sexual going on in there'.

    'I thought they had a prostitute or something in there. I thought it might have been some kind of sex party or something.
    'I just hope that sicko wasn't pimping out Jaycee or those children. The thought makes me sick.'
    But, despite being disturbed by what he had seen, Mr Rogers said he didn't think he had enough evidence to call police.

    'I'd told my brother about the parties and he agreed that unless they got really out of control I should keep out of it,' he said.
    First pictures of kidnapped Jaycee's filthy backyard prison as police ask: Was she brainwashed? | Mail Online

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    "But, despite being disturbed by what he had seen, Mr Rogers said he didn't think he had enough evidence to call police."

    He kept out of it? I don't know, in my neighbourhood, everybody would be calling the police.

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    ^^If the guy could see the men gathering in the backyard, then he also must've seen (throughout his time living there) that Jaycee and her two young girls stayed in those tents. If he saw something sexual going on where the young girls slept, how is that not enough to call police? Ignoring disgusting and disturbing behavior does not mean it goes away or never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linne View Post
    There is a snippet in Daily Mail that suggests that he pimped her out in sex parties.

    First pictures of kidnapped Jaycee's filthy backyard prison as police ask: Was she brainwashed? | Mail Online
    Buttmunch's post is well taken. I'm thinking that the media circus is going to make it that much harder for these three females to ever have any kind of decent life.

    And this latest story is exactly the kind of news I've been fearing we'd hear soon enough--that the sexual aspect of this story goes beyond this guy himself. I happen to give credence to some of the more out-there ideas about child abductions, particularly because of Marc Dutroux and the massive coverup in Belgium. It wouldn't surprise me if there is more than meets the eye here.
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    ^^ Don't forget Fred West from Gloucester - totally similar circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinola View Post
    This makes me wonder if one of the things that kept her from seeking freedom was a feeling that her mother wouldn't want her "back" because of those girls.
    The police report I heard said that the shed where she was living only opened from the outside - then the rest of the time, he's got her kids.... And I doubt that she'd want to put them in danger; plus the abuse (leading to "survival" mode rather than "escape")

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    Thanks, Celeb. Sad, but a good analysis.

    Here's a strange little story. I wonder what the neighbor's house has to do with it?
    Is he the one that called the police 3 yrs ago???



    Another article on him (not the neighbour)


    Philip Garrido was 'monster' says Las Vegas casino girl he raped in 'sex palace'


    Philip Garrido, the alleged kidnapper of Jaycee Lee Dugard, was a "monster" according to a Las Vegas casino girl who he raped in a specially designed "sex palace".



    By Nick Allen in Antioch
    Published: 1:32PM BST 30 Aug 2009


    In 1977 Garrido was sentenced to life for the sex attack on the 25-year-old casino worker and 50 years for kidnapping her.
    He was granted parole in 1988, three years before Miss Dugard vanished.


    The victim of the 1970s attack said she was "shocked" that the man suspected of abducting Miss Dugard was the same one who had attacked her but relieved that he had been arrested.
    She said: "I am overwhelmingly relieved. He's a monster."
    The retired detective who interviewed Garrido over that attack said he should have been castrated before being allowed out of prison.
    Dan DeMaranville, 74, said: "Why is he out and about? The guy was a sick puppy and should have been neutered before he was paroled."
    Garrido, 58, and his wife, Nancy, 54, have denied 29 counts including kidnapping, rape and false imprisonment in connection with Miss Dugard's disappearance 18 years ago at the age of 11.
    Detectives believe she was repeatedly raped by Garrido and bore him two children Garrido's home in Antioch, California has also been searched for evidence of a link to the unsolved murders of several prostitutes in the early 1990s.
    Detectives said Garrido spent the 1970s taking LSD, bingeing on cocaine and masturbating in public.
    He kidnapped the casino worker from a car park in South Lake Tahoe in 1976.
    He then handcuffed her, took LSD and raped her in a converted storage unit in Reno, Nevada.
    The officer in the case said the unit had been turned into a "sex palace" with various sex aids, pornography, stage lights and wine to drink. It also had rugs on the walls and floor and was equipped with a movie projector.
    Mr DeMaranville, 74, said: "I asked him after he confessed why he did it and he said it was the only way he could get sexual satisfaction. I think he had to use force to get sexual satisfaction.
    "He gave the impression he was remorseful. But I don't know whether it was a put-on or not."
    He said Garrido also admitted that he indulged his fantasies by masturbating in restaurants and public toilets.
    Garrido told police the handcuffs he used on his victim had been a present from his wife.
    The main issue in Garrido's 1977 trial was his sanity and whether, because of his dependence on LSD and marijuana, he was responsible for his actions.
    He was convicted and served 10 years of a 50 year sentence for kidnapping in a federal prison in Leavenworth, Kansas.
    He was then transferred to a Nevada prison where he served another seven months of a concurrent five-years-to life sentence for sexual assault.
    He was in jail when he met his wife, Nancy, who was the niece of another prisoner

    Philip Garrido was 'monster' says Las Vegas casino girl he raped in 'sex palace' - Telegraph
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    Sex offenders move to Antioch area 'because they can'


    Sex offenders move to Antioch area 'because they can' -- latimes.com

    Dawn Cordy always knew her neighborhood was an easy place to hide -- a semi-rural San Francisco suburb where housing is cheap, sheriff's cruisers rarely appear, residents don't snoop and registered sex offenders have found a refuge.

    It's a small, scruffy, unincorporated island largely surrounded by the hard-knock city of Antioch, a region synonymous with the foreclosure crisis in the Bay Area but now linked to yet another outrage.

    This is where Phillip Garrido, who was charged last week with rape and kidnapping, allegedly held Jaycee Lee Dugard for 18 years and fathered her two children in a warren of tents and soundproofed outbuildings behind his gray cinder-block house on Walnut Avenue.

    Garrido's and Cordy's 94509 ZIP Code is home to more than 100 registered sex offenders, according to the Megan's Law website, and officials say the region has a higher concentration of offenders than other areas.

    At least four sex offenders, including Garrido, live within easy walking distance of Cordy's house; they move to the area "because they can," said Cordy, 52. "We're mostly an older bunch, and we don't pay that much attention. This is Boonieville."


    Besides, she said of her unwelcome neighbors: "Honey, I collect knives. I wouldn't mind doing them harm."

    On Sunday, Dugard remained secluded with her mother, daughters and half-sister in Northern California, where her stepfather said the family is working with counselors to overcome the last 18 years.

    "They are doing fine -- not fine, but fine for the situation," Carl Probyn said. "My wife says that Jaycee is an excellent mother, and they are bonding, playing little games like checkers. They are doing OK for the situation."

    Law enforcement officers with saws and cadaver dogs swarmed Walnut Avenue looking for clues that might link Garrido with a host of unsolved crimes in the region, including four slayings in Pittsburg in the late 1990s.

    The main focus was the house next to Garrido's, where Damon Robinson, a 38-year-old driving instructor, now lives. Garrido cared for the property before Robinson moved in and lived for a time in a wooden shed behind it, according to sheriff's spokesman Jimmy Lee.

    Three of the people whose killings remain unsolved were prostitutes. The fourth was a 15-year-old girl named Lisa Norrell, whose body was discovered a week after she left a dance alone on Nov. 6, 1998, and disappeared.

    Capt. Daniel Terry of the Contra Costa Sheriff's Department said Friday that investigators were looking at Garrido because "several bodies were dumped at an industrial location where the suspect supposedly worked."

    Minnie Norrell, 66, said a Pittsburg homicide detective contacted her Saturday about her daughter's slaying and called Garrido a person of interest.

    "They said they didn't want to get my hopes up, but this guy was of interest," said Norrell, who lives in Pittsburg, where she spends her days on oxygen and in a wheelchair because of advanced emphysema. "He said they were going to be [in Garrido's neighborhood] for days. . . . I am hopeful."

    Under recently passed laws, sex offenders' movements are severely circumscribed.

    They generally must stay away from schools, parks, churches and places where children congregate, said Joan Petersilia, a law professor and co-director of the Stanford Criminal Justice Center.

    Such laws, combined with the high price of housing in California, "push sex offenders to less populated and more rural areas," Petersilia said. "They want a place where they can remain anonymous and people leave them alone."

    Terry, who heads the sheriff department's investigative division, said Contra Costa County has about 1,700 registered sex offenders. His station is responsible for about 350, "349 more than the number of detectives I have dedicated to monitoring these people."

    He called the region's concentration "significantly higher" than other areas and rued that "this is the reality. These people are walking amongst us everywhere."


    Antioch, with a population just over 100,000, has struggled in recent years with crime, rampant growth and foreclosures. One San Francisco Chronicle columnist dubbed the city "the finest slum this side of Stockton."

    According to RealtyTrac.com, the median home price has plummeted more than 40% in the last year and the foreclosure rate is still rising. There were 699 foreclosures filed in July.

    Mayor Jim Davis acknowledged the economic pressures his city has faced. But he was quick to note that Garrido's neighborhood is not part of Antioch proper, although the city would like to annex it and "be able to get out there and police it properly."

    "There's a lot of building out there, violating code," he said. "If the city were out there, all the sheds and tents out there would not have been tolerated. . . . There are lower-priced rents out there. It allows those who are on probation and can't find good employment to congregate."

    Betty Unpingo, a mother of 10, always knew her neighborhood was "an easy area to get lost in for a while." But until her family threw a backyard party two years ago, Unpingo didn't know exactly who was taking advantage of that anonymity.

    As the party ended, Garrido stood in front of his house across the street and motioned for the teenage girls leaving the event to come on over, she said. Unpingo's daughter was so suspicious, she checked his name on the Megan's Law list.


    On the list were Garrido and several others nearby, including two living in one home. Since then, Unpingo has instituted the "buddy system." None of her children are allowed to leave the house alone.

    Sex offenders have "got to have someplace to go," acknowledged the 52-year-old retired businesswoman, "but not here."

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    Here's a strange little story. I wonder what the neighbor's house has to do with it?

    I think he looked after the house prior to the current people moving in and because they're looking at this sicko as a possible suspect in some prostitute murders as well as other abductions they're going to look at that property for evidence as well.

    As far as the possible sex parties, etc. I really think it's time to stop broadcasting this stuff for people's shits and giggles. It's bad, we all know that but the general public doesn't need to know all the gory details, which is only going to make things harder for the woman and her two children. I wish there would be a moratorium on this story or at least that the press would learn to not just go for the headlines that will sell papers. There are three lives+ involved here and their needs really should be taken into account.

    Who wants to bet that Oprah, Diane Sawyer and the rest of those types are already trying to sew up an interview and that the publishing houses are creaming themselves over the rights to this story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    I think he looked after the house prior to the current people moving in and because they're looking at this sicko as a possible suspect in some prostitute murders as well as other abductions they're going to look at that property for evidence as well.

    As far as the possible sex parties, etc. I really think it's time to stop broadcasting this stuff for people's shits and giggles. It's bad, we all know that but the general public doesn't need to know all the gory details, which is only going to make things harder for the woman and her two children. I wish there would be a moratorium on this story or at least that the press would learn to not just go for the headlines that will sell papers. There are three lives+ involved here and their needs really should be taken into account.

    Who wants to bet that Oprah, Diane Sawyer and the rest of those types are already trying to sew up an interview and that the publishing houses are creaming themselves over the rights to this story?
    Thanks for the info on the neighbor's property; at first the media didn't seem to know why the search had expanded to include it.

    Yes, I don't really want to know the gruesome specifics of their lives in the back yard. What does worry me is when there are cases in which it turns out that the person accused is only a low man on someone's totem pole, taking the fall for people higher up in an organized network. I always think the public needs to know about that sort of thing, but there's not any indication at this point that this case is like that.

    Unfortunately, since Jaycee Lee Dugard's identity was already public because of her long-ago disappearance, there was no way for the police to hide her ID from the media. Yet no great care has been taken to shield the girls, either--I read their first names in a news story last night, and one of the names was very distinctive. My opinion: privacy from the general public, and being part of a smallish, close community, would probably be best for JLD and her daughters.

    I read an op-ed by a guy who argued that unless JLD has some real desire to come forward before the public, no photo of her as an adult should ever be printed in the media, and I agree. But I fear that won't be the case.
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    Spare a thought for her poor parents who after 18 years must have accepted the fact their daughter was probably dead and had moved on with their lives as best you can in the circs and then suddenly they find out she's alive after years of horrific abuse and they are grandparents.
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