Christian woman may sue after police investigate 'gay hate crime' letter

[Dallas_Munro]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Thrown in jail for being a bigoted, racist, antisemitic piece of shit? No. Inciting people to violence against people of other races, creeds, colors, sexual orientations or otherwise? Oh yes.

That's what hate speech covers and she's skirting quite close to it with the whole "gays bring doom to the planet" shit and then trying to hide behind Jesus like a piece of shit coward.

I have no time or patience for these freaks. They just want to hate SOMETHING and if their target suddenly vanishes, they'll pick something or someone else. They're abhorrent. Animals.

They're the ones that bring down civilizations with their hatred, and if i had my way these people would be locked in fucking institutions.

But was she inciting people to violence? Or was she just expressing her bigoted point of view? Saying "gays bring doom to the planet" is just an opinion. It's not hate speech (IMHO). "All gays should die in a fire," or something advocating bodily harm/death, however, is most definitely hate speech. IMHO.

But I didn't read the old biddy's letter so I can't say for sure that I'd call it "hate speech" or just "bigoted dumbass bullshit." *shrug*

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Yes, i contend that bigots, homophobes, racists and anti semites and all other peddlers of hate should be silenced.

Period.



a situation i support?

sexual orientation is no more a "situation" to be supported than the color of your black skin is, deary.

the fact that you'd refer to it as such is fucking revolting, but not unusual for you.

I completely and wholeheartedly 100% DISAGREE with this statement. NO ONE should have their opinons or beliefs silenced, squelched, whatever simply because what they say is offensive or hurtful. You, Grimm, say stuff all the time that is offensive (and even sometimes hurtful). So... does that mean your opinions and beliefs should be silenced? No? Then why demand it of others, just because you don't like what they say? Talk about hypocrisy!

[Grimmlok]

Originally Posted by Dallas_Munro

I completely and wholeheartedly 100% DISAGREE with this statement. NO ONE should have their opinons or beliefs silenced, squelched, whatever simply because what they say is offensive or hurtful.

Bigoted, dear. Like racists, anti semites or anybody else of that ilk.

You, Grimm, say stuff all the time that is offensive (and even sometimes hurtful). So... does that mean your opinions and beliefs should be silenced? No? Then why demand it of others, just because you don't like what they say? Talk about hypocrisy!

Because what i say is said in jest on a website designed to mock stupidities of celebrities, and what i say is not an attack on an immutable, unchangeable aspect of a person purely for the sake of HATE. It's a fucking JOKE.

What they peddle is hatred, ignorance, and bigotry purely for its own sake, and they hide behind a religion in order to justify it.. just like they did for slavery, witch burnings and a host of other absolute garbage. If they had their way, the people they hated (for no reason) would either be gassed, burned alive, incarcerated, relegated to subhuman status or murdered.

It's happened all through history, at the hands of these people. It happens even now in other nations across the planet, and even happens HERE.

So in the future, try drawing a parallel that makes sense please.

[Dallas_Munro]

The parallel stands, dear.

[Grimmlok]

I just demonstrated that it didn't. Try again.

[Dallas_Munro]

*sigh*

You want to silence the opinions of those with whom you disagree. How is that different from the old biddy that complained about gays not being silent about their opinion that it's ok to be gay?

Oh, and for the record: just because you and I believe that it's ok to be gay, that there ain't nothin' wrong with it, doesn't change the fact that these are opinions. We just happen to believe that our opinion is the right (and only) one. (Which is why you so vehemently advocate silencing all others.)

[Grimmlok]

lol yeah again with this whole "disagree" thing.

I don't "disagree" with her bigotry. Her bigotry is an anathema, it should not exist, it is baseless hate. Her target is not something to be 'disagreed' about any more than you can 'disagree' on the subject of someone's skin color.

We don't attack these people, we don't write horrible letters expressing our hate for people who have never done anything to us, we don't use legislation to rip rights away from them and we don't use speech against them unless it's in retaliation for their transgression against us.

That's why they should be silenced. If they weren't bigots, there would be no hate between us. If they suddenly became christ like, everything would be puppies and roses.

Frankly, they're human abortions. They exist simply to hate without reason and use religion as justification. People like that should be euthanized as criminally insane.

[McJag]

Grimm-you can not control what other people think. Can't be done. Best thing is to ignore their butts. There are no Thought Police-not even you. I know this hit a sore spot with you and sympathize. I loathe the way she thinks,too. I am sure her ass would love to know she has caused grief to you-don't cave in.

[Grimmlok]

I'm not grieved, please. I just want her to expire and take her malfunctioning brain with her.

Preferably immediately, but soon would also be acceptable. Perhaps someone should poison her tea.

I bet after she did, her family would find a HUGE collection of massive dildos and midget lesbian porn under her bed. That's usually how it goes.

[RevellingInSane]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Yes, i contend that bigots, homophobes, racists and anti semites and all other peddlers of hate should be silenced.

Period.



a situation i support?

sexual orientation is no more a "situation" to be supported than the color of your black skin is, deary.

the fact that you'd refer to it as such is fucking revolting, but not unusual for you.

First of all, do not call me deary. Endearments are reserved for close family and friends and when used otherwise is insulting and from male to female can be seen as a throwback to a once chauvinistic society which deemed females worthless and incapable of reaching the thought levels of males. Should I blow a gasket and label you sexist? I wouldn't, because I don't take everything everyone does personally. I

I could also point out you like to utilize one particular minority when you argue your points. You do realize there are more minorities, and slurs related to minority groups, than just black don't you? Or is there another reason you like using that particular group, and the slurs related its members, almost exclusively in your rebuttals? If it is to hurt me, stop wasting your time. I love my heritage, my identity, mySELF, even though I know there are others who hate it. The hatred doesn't hurt me, but it consumes the hater.

Of course you contend anyone with whom you disagree should be silenced. Whether they are right or wrong, they have the right to speak. You have the right to stop listening or speak against them. Just as they should not be forced to zip it, you are not forced to listen to or read it.

Again, attempting to use semantics to label someone a bigot. Is the SITUATION being discussed IN THIS THREAD not regarding a woman who expressed her personal opinion about gays? You are gay, therefore, as I SAID BEFORE, THIS SITUATION, this one event, not the subject of sexuality as a whole, hits close to home for you. Instead of trying to divert the discussion from the one event this thread is about, admit it related to non-violent free speech and that you want anti-homosexual free speech completely stopped.

Your contention that free speech, if related to sexuality, should be actually stopped is revolting. While gays should not be oppressed just for being gay, that does not mean all forms of communications which is negative about the group should be banned. How special do you think you are? Every person is going to be talked about, made fun of, or insulted. Free speech allows it. How you deal with it is your choice. Ignoring something is ALWAYS an option.

Originally Posted by lurkur

The religious bigots do affect people's quality of life. There are innumerable loving families right now who do not have rights "entitled" to other citizens. That's because a majority population who chose a belief system decided to impose it on everyone else. That's not just expressing an opinion, that's using an opinion to deny other citizens rights.I'm glad you brought up that individuals decide what to believe. Religion is a choice. An individual choice. Homosexuality isn't a choice, yet people are denied human rights because of it.

What if there was a population of 90% gay people who were born that way, and they decided to strip rights from the remaining 10% of people because "the straights are crippling civilization because they don't conform with the rest of society"? What if they decided to do the same to religious believers, stripping them of rights because religion is clearly a choice, and people choose to use it for hate thus harming family values? Would that be ok?
The first part of the bolded statement, about religion, is true. The second part is not. It's called freedom. Some say "live and let live." Religious-based legislation does force obedience to a chosen belief system upon others. Homosexual couples (as well as any hetero civil rights advocate, libertarian, and you'd think every freedom-lovin' American) don't want to force their neighbors to do anything in the bedroom, they just want other people to get out of theirs.
A neighbor doesn't have to "accept" or "agree" with homosexuality anymore than they have to "accept" their neighbor eating peas instead of carrots at dinnertime (and even dinner is a choice). It's none of their business.
Sadly, at this age, the woman has had long, long years' worth of opportunity to spew her garbage. The drawback to free speech is that the rest of us have to go and clean it up lest it start festering. I doubt this lady turned batty racist all of the sudden. Hate is something that grows in people, starting with these lies she's been fed.

I have already posted regarding religion as a tool. Blame the ones who use religion for the wrong reasons and those who allow it.

You have taken my words completely out of context. When I mentioned agreement and acceptance, I was speaking, AGAIN, regarding free speech and this particular thread subject ONLY. Even if the society were 90 percent gay, if there were people in the other 10 percent who expressed their opinions, without violence or a call for it, it would be ok, whether I liked it or not, because just as they have the right to say what they feel, I can sit back, wait, then put a verbal boot in their asses when it is my turn to speak. I hold my ground, then verbally pound them into it. I don't shy away and ask lawmakers to shut them up because I don't like what they say.

Any society which forces people to stop thinking and expressing thoughts is no society I want to be a part of. It would not be living, it would merely be existing.

[Grimmlok]

I could exist without racism, bigotry, homophobia or anti semitism. In fact, it might be preferable.

If only people could wear shock collars...

[McJag]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

I'm not grieved, please. I just want her to expire and take her malfunctioning brain with her.

Preferably immediately, but soon would also be acceptable. Perhaps someone should poison her tea.

Now,there is room for agreement on this! Nobody on here LIKES this woman or agrees with her twisted viewpoint. She can just chirp away-I am not listening to her and doubt she will end up on a talk show.

[Dallas_Munro]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

lol yeah again with this whole "disagree" thing.

I don't "disagree" with her bigotry. Her bigotry is an anathema, it should not exist, it is baseless hate. Her target is not something to be 'disagreed' about any more than you can 'disagree' on the subject of someone's skin color.

We don't attack these people, we don't write horrible letters expressing our hate for people who have never done anything to us, we don't use legislation to rip rights away from them and we don't use speech against them unless it's in retaliation for their transgression against us.

That's why they should be silenced. If they weren't bigots, there would be no hate between us. If they suddenly became christ like, everything would be puppies and roses.

Frankly, they're human abortions. They exist simply to hate without reason and use religion as justification. People like that should be euthanized as criminally insane.

This is why you and I disagree: Silencing bigots does not put an end to prejudice. I would much rather bigots yell out loud and clear all the hate that is in their hearts. It's how you spot a bigot, don'tcha know? You can't tell if someone's a bigot just by looking at them.

However... if for you Silence = Death, then have at it! (I kid, I kid. But only just a little.)