California high school student gang-raped outside dance

[AliceInWonderland]

im disgusted and so sad....

and its disgusting and so sad that i actually feel lucky that this hasn't happened to me since it is so prevelant < that says something about mankind as well in this era.

[crumpet]

Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland

im disgusted and so sad....

and its disgusting and so sad that i actually feel lucky that this hasn't happened to me since it is so prevelant < that says something about mankind as well in this era.

Me,too.

I did have an adult neighbor get me to fondle his penis when I was about 3 or 4...didn't know what it was in my hand and don't have any 'trauma' from it, probably because I didn't know what was happening. I never told anyone either, probably for the same reasons.

If you took every woman on earth and asked about a histoy of sexual abuse, the ones who've had not abuse whatsoever would definitely be in the minority (keeping in mind the continuum ranges from inappropriate sexual comments by adults to full on rape). I think more boys have had this happen than we realize,too. It's just paradoxical how rape is so reviled as this awful taboo and rapists are all universally considered perverted scum, but when a rape is actually reported the first thing people try to do is either deny it or blame the victim, not the perp. It's like everyone hates rapists but no one thinks they've ever known one in their life.

[sharky]

Shinola and MsDeb, so sorry that happened to you. Obviously from your posts you have moved forward. Kudos to you that you did not let those incidents define who you are.

I think this happens all the time. Because of the internet, we are becoming savvy to what is happening in the world- i.e. Mackenzie Philips, Jaycee, Fritzl etc.

In a way I'm glad that all this is coming out so that people who are assaulted know that they are not alone and it's OK to speak out. They will be protected. Also for perpetrators to know that they will be dealt with.

I want to share 2 events that my husband told me:

1) His friend was at a house party with a stripper. She wouldn't do what they wanted, so they took her to the bathroom to rape her. His friend fought them off, carried her outside and called a cab and paid for it. He told her: "I don't think you should do this anymore".

2) Another friend went to a bachelor party with a stripper. They became drunk and decided to cut off all her hair. He also fought with them and took her outside to safety.

Some men are really honorable.

[crumpet]

Originally Posted by sharky

Shinola and MsDeb, so sorry that happened to you. Obviously from your posts you have moved forward. Kudos to you that you did not let those incidents define who you are.

I think this happens all the time. Because of the internet, we are becoming savvy to what is happening in the world- i.e. Mackenzie Philips, Jaycee, Fritzl etc.

In a way I'm glad that all this is coming out so that people who are assaulted know that they are not alone and it's OK to speak out. They will be protected. Also for perpetrators to know that they will be dealt with.

It's like, how nice and perfect does a woman have to be before she's allowed to say 'no' ?

I want to share 2 events that my husband told me:

1) His friend was at a house party with a stripper. She wouldn't do what they wanted, so they took her to the bathroom to rape her. His friend fought them off, carried her outside and called a cab and paid for it. He told her: "I don't think you should do this anymore".

2) Another friend went to a bachelor party with a stripper. They became drunk and decided to cut off all her hair. He also fought with them and took her outside to safety.

Some men are really honorable.

What sickens me is that simply because of her occupation people would have excused the behavior of these otherwise perfectly honorable men, as though they are less vile because they attacked her instead of a nice girl. To guys like these, any female who doesn't do what they want is a cheap whore to whom they can do whatever they want .

[celeb_2006]

(This should help people "understand" the mindset and mentality of the kinds of people that act out and condone this depravity, god help us all)

Plenty of questions but no easy answers in wake of gang rape -- latimes.com

The sense of horror seems to be fading at Richmond High -- the Northern California school that made news around the world this week after a 15-year-old girl was gang-raped outside a campus homecoming dance while a crowd of students watched but did nothing to intervene.

Local school board members in this East Bay city near Oakland want to promote safety measures -- fences, lights, security cameras -- on the drawing board for years, now about to be delivered.

Richmond High students want outsiders to stop calling them animals and savages. "We feel like they're blaming the school," an angry senior complained at a school board meeting I attended Wednesday night. "It wasn't nobody's fault," she said. "People shouldn't be pointing fingers."

And school officials are making sure to emphasize the tragedies that didn't happen.

The homecoming dance "was a success in terms of safety because nothing happened at the event," a campus police officer announced. "We have a safe environment at Richmond High."

And I wondered if that made the students feel better, as I surveyed the secluded swath of campus where the sophomore girl was raped and beaten for two hours last Saturday night while the partygoers danced in the gym.

Police said as many as 10 people participated in the attack while 20 others watched -- jeering, taking photos and messaging friends to join them.

The sideshow went on until almost midnight, when police were called by a girl whose boyfriend had turned down the invitation to come have sex with "a drunk girl." Officers found the victim cowering under a bench, half-naked, intoxicated and semiconscious.

The girl was hospitalized for four days. Five suspects face felony charges.

::

I've thought about the theories offered by experts this week to explain the brutality of the attack and the onlookers' passivity.

They blamed music and video games that glamorize violence; desensitized men who treat women like pieces of meat; the disengagement of young people in a world ruled by technology, where real life is what's on YouTube. Or the powerlessness these disenfranchised kids feel in their violent neighborhood and fractured families.

All of it rang true to me. But it wasn't enough, so I headed for Richmond High and found students struggling to understand how their campus had become the latest example of urban depravity.

Their theories are drawn from campus gossip and what their own lives in this working-class town have taught them.

The troublemakers at Richmond are emulating what they see in popular culture. "A lot of them, they don't think they're going to be successful," said junior Olachi Obioma. "They've already been judged, so they go with that. They drink, they smoke, they pop pills. It's the 'bad boy' culture. That's how they see themselves."

And the girls are saddled with similar pressures. "It's our mentality that's wrong," said junior Kami Baker. "Look at our pop culture. The way the girls dress, the way the guys use them for sex and the girls keep going back. . . . It's hard for some girls to rise above that."

Kami is a friend of the girl who was raped. The last time she saw her, they were dancing together at homecoming. "She looked so happy, so pretty" in a sparkly purple dress, dangling earrings and silver heels.

"People are saying it's her fault because she got drunk. But that could have been me. They beat her up and no one did anything to help her."

Explain that, I asked the students I talked to. And their explanations were as good as the experts':

The kids who watched were scared to tell, afraid that "snitching" would make them targets.

Or they thought the girl was a willing participant; that it might be a gang initiation ritual. Guys get "jumped in" to gangs, girls get "sexed in," some said.

Or they didn't intervene because they didn't know the girl and didn't feel compelled to help a stranger. On a big, racially mixed campus like Richmond, you stick with your own and mind your business.

Or, they were simply so shocked their minds went blank.

"Maybe they were just caught in the moment," suggested Olachi, who wore a "Stop Violence Against Women" button pinned to her backpack.

She wasn't at the dance and didn't know the victim, but believes she would have tried to stop the attack. "I'm surprised that no one went and got a security guard," she said. "But maybe people didn't know what to do. Because we never thought this would happen. So we never learned about it."

::

I thought about all those sexual harassment classes and date rape warnings and "no means no" slogans we offer up to our sons and daughters. While they are binge-drinking, hooking up and freak dancing.

How, when confronted with such an obvious violation of humanity, could so many teenagers fall so short and feel so unashamed about it?

The students I talked to after the fact at Richmond High all said they would have intervened. And yet, none of them denounced the kids who didn't.

I sensed they couldn't reconcile the conflict between their ideals and their reality.

And we can't solve all their problems with taller fences, brighter lights and tighter security.

Kami Baker said she was friendly not just with the victim, but with one of the jailed suspects as well.

"He was a genuinely nice guy," she said. She'd tutored him in English class for one semester, two years back. "He was quiet, kind of shy."

The victim knew him too, she said. And when police found her stripped, beaten and violated, the boy was there.

"I just don't get it," Kami said.

[Beeyotch]

I think an environment like that it's like a fucking jungle. Seems like there is a lot of fear at work here, in addition to ignorance/lack of morals. They're afraid to tell, to speak up and say stop because it makes them a target. It's kill or be killed. Join in, or at least look the other way or else the pack turns on you and you could be the next rape victim.

It's sick but it's a whole other world and I'm just grateful I'm not a part of it.

[BBDSP]

I have a 15 year old daughter and this story just kills me.

I guess now I also have to tell her that if she is raped it doesn't count unless she screamed.

[misrule]

One of the saddest things I learned when I took a womens' self-defense course is that if you're being attacked you're screaming, don't scream like you're being attacked, and don't ever yell 'rape'.

They teach you to yell "FIRE".

Because people are more likely to respond to something like a fire that poses a threat to their personal property and safety, or something along those lines. It says something pretty disturbing about the world we live in, though.

And it was part of the training that they condition you to use this as an automatic response whenever someone comes at you - just so you have that word at the ready. It's smart, but it shouldn't be that way.

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by misrule

One of the saddest things I learned when I took a womens' self-defense course is that if you're being attacked you're screaming, don't scream like you're being attacked, and don't ever yell 'rape'.

They teach you to yell "FIRE".

Because people are more likely to respond to something like a fire that poses a threat to their personal property and safety, or something along those lines. It says something pretty disturbing about the world we live in, though.

And it was part of the training that they condition you to use this as an automatic response whenever someone comes at you - just so you have that word at the ready. It's smart, but it shouldn't be that way.

Yeah, I did a psychology course and we covered bystandy apathy and the Kitty Genovise case and our tutor gave the (mainly female) class the same advice. I've also been told in the past that if I am carrying a personal attack alarm to get one that sounds the most like a car alarm as people are more likely to respond if they think it is their car being broken into than a woman being attacked. Sad.

[celeb_2006]

Richmond gang rape seen as nearly inevitable


Last weekend's gang rape at Richmond High School was almost bound to happen. All it needed was a spark - the elements were already there.
The courtyard where the attack erupted was the most infamous spot on campus, an out-of-the-way, poorly lit venue for gang initiations and dopers lighting up joints.
The 15-year-old victim was a vulnerable girl who attended church and wanted to be a police scout, but also worried counselors by trying too hard to please the school's bad boys.
As for the suspects: They were a mix of the bad boys, the wannabe bad boys, and the hardened, grown-up bad boys who had aged out of school.
All it took for things to lurch out of control, investigators, students and community leaders say, was opportunity - and that came when the girl left the school dance Saturday night, walked by a group of bad boys boozing hard in the unlit courtyard, and accepted their invitation to hang out.
Fueled by street-macho bravado and inspired by sexual initiations required to get into some local gangs, they began the attack, investigators say.
On the other side of the campus, more than 400 students partied at the homecoming dance.
Easy to trace

And now it is those 400 students and the rest of the 1,600-strong student body, along with their teachers and community leaders, who are wrestling to make sense of what happened. It doesn't take much to trace the cause, they say.
Take the poverty-driven frustration of inner-city Richmond, a youth street culture that glorifies thugs and applauds degradation of women, and the desensitization of young men through violent video games, music and language, and you have a template for trouble.
"This is like a lot of schools, where most of the kids are good kids - and then, we know which ones are going wrong," said Charles Johnson, one of Richmond High's security specialists.
"You wouldn't believe the stuff we have to put up with those few who go wrong - guns, dope busts, fighting," Johnson said. "We know that courtyard, and we've been waiting for something to happen there.
"I'm sorry it had to be this terrible."
Johnson, teachers and students at least partially blame the attack on the lack of lighting, sturdy fencing or security cameras on the courtyard, which abuts a rough neighborhood on the northern end of the campus on 23rd Street. Signs for the Norteño and Crips gangs are scrawled in huge letters on a wall near the driveway leading into the courtyard.
On Saturday, district officials confirmed plans to install higher fences around the entire school before next summer, and to firm up security in general - but the challenges will still be steep. Johnson also blames the attack and much of the school's troubles on nonstudent "outsiders" - as several of the attack suspects are - who regularly trespass on campus, and they are much less respectful of authority than the students themselves.
But as much as anything, the attack stems from the way the roughest young men treat women, Johnson and the others say. And this is a problem that extends far beyond the East Bay campus' borders.
"This attack was about street culture, and the need to change that mind-set," said Jay Leonhardy, a nationally recognized community organizer who heads Richmond's Youth Works, which steers at-risk kids into work and education programs. "It's not something you change overnight, and it is not unique to Richmond, Oakland, Portland or Los Angeles. It's everywhere.
"As awful as this attack was," Leonhardy said, "just maybe it can represent a teachable moment. If people pay attention."
Hoping for healing

Few could feel the urgency as much as 14-year-old Rhonnie Schwartz, a Richmond High freshman.
Her cousin is Cody Ray Smith of San Pablo, who at 15 is the youngest of the four defendants charged in the gang rape so far. Investigators believe Smith, a student at the school, may have been the boy who enticed the victim into the courtyard.
Ever since his arrest, Rhonnie has struggled with what to say to the boy she has grown up with.
She poured her heart into a two-page letter last week as part of a class exercise, and plans to mail it to Smith in juvenile hall.
"Staying out of trouble can have a dramatic effect on your life, and give your family some stress relief," she wrote. "Cody, paying attention in school or at least going to class can help you so much ... Cody I care about you ... I've seen you have some hard times."
The arguments will have a way to go to counteract peer influence, judging by Smith's MySpace page.
"Freee mah nigga ... F- dem snitches," reads one of the more prominent comments posted by a friend.
"This stuff (the rape) is just not like Cody," said Rhonnie, who wore a button reading, "Hands and words are not for hurting."
As for the rest of the student body, she said: "We are all shocked at how horrible this was. I mean, bad things happen, but this?
'We're not animals'

"Please tell people we're not animals, like the media say we are," Rhonnie said, eyes moist with pain. "We are not bad people."
Teachers, who asked not be named because of district confidentiality rules, said Smith and the other two juvenile defendants charged as adults have had tough times academically.
Ari Abdallah Morales, 16, of San Pablo and Marcelles James Peter, 17, of Pinole were transferred out of Richmond High to continuation high schools. Although Peter has a shelf of city league soccer trophies, he and the others are mediocre pupils at best, sources said.
The fourth suspect arraigned in the case, 19-year-old Manuel Ortega, ran away from home and dropped out of school after his junior year, sources said. He was a disruptive student who once threw a flaming ball of paper at a teacher.
One other young man arrested in the case - Jose Carlos Montano, 18, of San Pablo - is in Contra Costa County Jail but has not been charged.
"The younger ones - they mostly just watched, and they are the ones talking and giving up names," said one source familiar with the investigation who asked not to be named, because the Police Department has ordered its investigators to keep a tight lid on information. "This was not a gang thing. It was just a mob that got out of control. It was the older ones who led it all."
There were a lot of people to lead.
Rape frenzy

On the night of the attack, the victim left the homecoming dance at about 9:30 p.m., before it ended, and walked to the back of campus to call her father to pick her up, detectives say.
That's when someone invited her into the notorious courtyard.
The group of about a dozen boys and young men was already well into 2 gallons of vodka. After they liquored up the girl with brandy, they proposed sex, according to several accounts by friends of those who were there but asked not to be named for fear of retaliation.
The girl said no. Some of the men placed her on one of the two red cement benches set alongside the main brick building of the school and said they were going to have sex anyway, according to the accounts.
"They had her down on the bench and the bitch tried to kick 'Tweak' (one of the men) in the nuts," said one young man, who said he had a first-hand account of the attack from Smith but was afraid of being named. "He went off on her, started hitting her, and then it was on. They pulled a train (a gang initiation-style rape, one after the other) on her."
What ensued was 2 1/2 hours of beatings and raping, at times with a foreign object.

The scene attracted onlookers, some calling others over by cell phone, and eventually there were as many as 10 men or boys sexually assaulting the girl while another 20 looked on, laughing and snapping pictures. Teachers and students were searching last week for at least one video that many said was filmed of the attack.

The rape finally stopped, around midnight, after students at a house down the block heard of what was going on and called police. The girl was found, semiconscious, beneath a picnic table.
"Her face was purple and blue and she wasn't moving when they finished and ran," said Eraclio Lopez, 23, who lives nearby and ran over when the police cars rolled up. "I guess those kids thought what they did was tight, was cool. But it was terrible."
The girl was released from a hospital Wednesday, but her recovery has only begun, police Lt. Mark Gagan said.
"This was a barbaric crime, and I find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that so many watched and didn't report it," Gagan said. "That poor girl will have a lot of healing to do."
This was not the first time the churchgoing sophomore had hung out with the wrong crowd, said one educator who asked not to be named for fear of offending school district sensitivities. That has caused anguish for not just her but the advisers who helped her over the past couple of years,
"She really is a smart girl, but it's not always easy to fit in," the educator said. "I think she can be a little naive, and she's been harassed by guys in the past who took advantage of her when she tried a little too hard."
Deeply caring girl

English teacher Jessica Price, who knows the victim and most of the arrested suspects, said the girl has helped in conflict-mediation groups. She told Price she wanted to join the Police Explorers, a Boy Scouts group that lets boys and girls learn law enforcement with local police.
"She's an emotional, deeply caring girl, the type who would care so much if this happened to another girl," Price said.
The girl and her family have not spoken publicly, but her parents issued a statement read at a community meeting Saturday, urging everyone moved by the attack to "please channel your anger into positive action."
That such a girl could be so brutalized speaks more to a pack mentality, stoked by booze and street machismo, than it does to the general character of Richmond High's youths, Price said.
"Those boys who did what they did weren't picturing that girl as a human," she said. "I think you see these kinds of boys at a lot of high schools - so desensitized it was like they saw her as a toy. Boys like that - there aren't many like them, but they can be so hard. All they needed was something to set them off."
She told a school district safety panel last week that some girls trying to find out who had watched the rape were being threatened in the hallways - and that, too, she blames on a desensitized mentality.
Price has been helping lead counseling sessions on campus, and to support the hundreds of students who staged rallies and gatherings to denounce violence. Their hope is to tell people in the Bay Area and everyone else who has seen national coverage of the case that the attack does not define Richmond High.
It's not an easy message to get out in a city where 18 percent of families live below poverty level and the always-struggling school district became in 1991 the first in the state to declare bankruptcy. The CQ Press crime index last year rated 102,000-population Richmond the ninth-most-dangerous city in America, based on crimes including homicide and rape.
There are hopeful aspects. Richmond High, which is 76 percent Latino, had the highest increase in its district last year in its state Adequate Yearly Progress scores. It was only a decade ago that the school drew international acclaim when basketball coach Ken Carter forced members of his undefeated team to sit on the bench until they raised their grades.
"I have friends who go to school in Concord and say, 'Aren't you scared to go to Richmond High?' And I say, no - you can do very well academically here," said junior Vanessa Bejarano. "I take two AP classes. I am headed for college. I feel safe, and it makes me mad that people only see the bad side of us now."
Rough justice

Even the neighborhood ex-cons who lounge against their cars all afternoon at the back end of campus are outraged. For all the sensitivity training going on, this is still a rough city - and there is rough justice.
"If we'd gone over there earlier, before it was over, those mother- would have been shot. For real," said 24-year-old Chuckie Pelayo, leader of a pack that hangs out at the corner of Hayes Street and Emeric Avenue, one block from the rape scene. "We've all been to prison, and we know the code of how you're supposed to behave. These younger guys, they don't know the code.
"Some of us know a few guys who were there, and we're out looking for them," Pelayo added, the others nodding. "They better hope the cops find them first, because when we find them the same thing that happened to that girl is gonna happen to them."

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by celeb_2006

Even the neighborhood ex-cons who lounge against their cars all afternoon at the back end of campus are outraged. For all the sensitivity training going on, this is still a rough city - and there is rough justice.
"If we'd gone over there earlier, before it was over, those mother- would have been shot. For real," said 24-year-old Chuckie Pelayo, leader of a pack that hangs out at the corner of Hayes Street and Emeric Avenue, one block from the rape scene. "We've all been to prison, and we know the code of how you're supposed to behave. These younger guys, they don't know the code.
"Some of us know a few guys who were there, and we're out looking for them," Pelayo added, the others nodding. "They better hope the cops find them first, because when we find them the same thing that happened to that girl is gonna happen to them."

/sensible hat on: Vigilante justice is not the way to go. Hand them over to the authorities and let the law take its toll on them.

/sensible hat off: Fucking YES!!!!! And I hope it fucking burns and that they live and get arrested and go to prison and have it happen to them all over again every day of their cursed, miserable lives, you fucking scum!

[heart_leigh]

Ugh, this is all too sickening and disturbing.

[twitchy2.0]

The fact that she attended church is irrelevant. It pisses me off that they keep mentioning that. What happened to this girl should not even have happened to the town whore. There is a subtle implication that some girl less than saintly might have deserved some of what happened. The attack is not more or less heinous depending on the victim.

[Quazar]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

The fact that she attended church is irrelevant. It pisses me off that they keep mentioning that. What happened to this girl should not even have happened to the town whore. There is a subtle implication that some girl less than saintly might have deserved some of what happened. The attack is not more or less heinous depending on the victim.

I thought of the church aspect in another way - I wonder how they explain this happening to this poor girl? If she was a good churchgoing citizen - how could God allow this to happen to her? I would really like to hear their response.

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by Quazar

I thought of the church aspect in another way - I wonder how they explain this happening to this poor girl? If she was a good churchgoing citizen - how could God allow this to happen to her? I would really like to hear their response.

"It is a test of her faith... God will not send you more than you can handle... We're all praying for her..." and other such bullshit.