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    Whatever Norway is doing prison-wise, it works. They have a low recidivism rate. I strongly doubt however that dangerous prisoners are put into a low security environment. He isn't a new sort of prisoner. It's only the scale of the killing that sets him apart. There will be secure facilities in Norway. The Halden Fengsel prison is also new and an exception which is why it made the news here.
    but, you can't have prisoners in cushy prisons, with libraries and tv's and access to education all paid for by taxpayers! who cares if that means there is lower recidivism and it's better for society in the long-term - that's not what angry taxpayers want to hear right now! you need tough prisons where inmates are allowed to rape each other and no tv and no books and no internet and no education - rehabilitation is bad, y'all.
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    apparently they lowered the death count on the island from 86 to 68 (+8 from the bombing) [76 dead instead of 93].

    STOCKHOLM (AP) — Norwegian police said Monday that the double-counting of bodies in the chaotic aftermath of a shooting spree may have contributed to a dramatic overestimate of the number of people slain, but they offered few other details about the error.

    The sharp reduction in the death toll, from 86 to 68, added to a list of police misteps. Officers took 90 minutes to arrive after the first shot was fired at youth gathering for a political party retreat on an island resort. People who called emergency services from the island have reported being told by operators to stay off the lines unless they were calling about an earlier bombing in the capital carried out by the same attacker.

    Police also raised the number of dead in Friday's bomb blast in the capital's government quarter to eight, from seven. The total number of people confirmed killed in the twin attacks is now 76, down from 93.

    There was no indication that any specific person was erroneously reported to have died.

    Police blamed the mix-up on the chaotic situation that erupted on Utoya island when police and rescue workers tried to sort the injured from the dead under mounting pressure to reveal that the number of slain youths was much higher than originally reported.

    "It could be that some were counted twice," police spokesman Oystein Maeland told reporters at a news conference in Oslo, explaining that bodies were spread all over the island and some of the dead hidden under other bodies. "But it was necessary to get that information out there (fast) because it was sky-high compared with the number that media had been given."

    A 32-year-old Norwegian, Anders Behring Breivik, is a suspect in both the Oslo blast and the camp shooting. He was seized on the island in a lake northwest of Oslo and is in custody.

    Police initially set the death toll from the shooting at 10.

    But as survivors left the island, people began saying online and to news media that the total number of fatalities was much higher. Early Saturday morning, police released a statement saying some 80 people had likely been killed.

    "The situation was almost impossible to assess," Maeland said. "We saw that people that had survived started posting on the Internet how many dead bodies they had seen and it was important for us to go public with this. Afterward we realize it was necessary to make a downgrade."

    Still, as rescue workers continue to comb the area and search the waters around the island, the tally of victims could grow, police said.



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    Norway shooting: German tourist hailed a hero after saving 30 lives

    A German tourist has been hailed a hero after sailing straight into the line of gunfire to save up to 30 lives during Norway's brutal massacre.

    Marcel Gleffe raced to his boat and took to the water immediately after hearing the shots Photo: EPA

    By Victoria Ward, Oslo
    9:14PM BST 24 Jul 2011

    Marcel Gleffe was the first to race to the idyllic island of Utoeya, where more than 500 young people were attending a summer camp organised by AUF, the youth wing of the ruling Labour Party, as gunman Anders Behring Breivik opened fire.

    Mr Gleffe, who was staying on a holiday campsite on the mainland, raced to his boat and took to the water immediately after hearing the shots and seeing plumes of smoke on the horizon.

    As the names of some of the young victims began to emerge, he told how he had bravely rescued scores of teenagers who fled for their lives as Breivik's bullets rained down.

    "I just did it on instinct," he said. "You don't get scared in a situation like that, you just do what it takes. I know the difference between fireworks and gunfire. I knew what it was about, and that it wasn't just nonsense.

    "Cooperation with the police and rescue crews afterwards was very good, but it all came too late. The first time I was out I was all alone."

    Mr Gleffe and his family were drinking coffee outside their caravan and discussing the Oslo bombing when they began to hear shots from Utoeya between 5pm and 6pm on Friday.

    "I recognised the sound of the automatic weapon straight away," he said.
    "Then I saw two youths who swam away from the island. Then smoke grenades came and several bursts from the automatic weapon. I saw through the binoculars that there were more people in the water."
    Mr Gleffe, who lives in Ski, south of Oslo, took the keys to his boat and raced down to the water.

    He threw life jackets out to the young people as they shouted: "Are you police, are you police?". Some told him that the gunman was a police officer as others yelled "terrorist, terrorist, terrorist!".

    He plucked as many as he could from the water, steering the boat close to the shore of the island and using his binoculars to search for the gunman.
    "I took between four and five trips. After that the police asked me to stop," he told the local Dagbladet newspaper.

    "The youths were good. They supported each other and were organised, and said who needed first aid and who had to be taken into the boat first. 'You must take him, you must take him', they said."

    "They were happy to get help, but they were unsure whom they could trust."

    Among those who lost their lives during Breivik's rampage was Tore Eikeland, 21, president of the Hordaland branch of the AUF, whom Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg described as "one of our most talented youth politicians".

    "Now he is dead. Gone forever. It is incomprehensible," he told mourners at a special memorial service at Oslo's cathedral.
    Erik Dale, a friend and colleague in Norwegian youth politics wrote online: "It is much too soon for you to go, Tore. A great friend with a great heart. A heart that beats for everyone.

    "And a political talent we all envy you. Norway's next Prime Minister, remember? It is too soon to lose you. We miss you."

    Mr Dale also wrote about another friend, Tarald Mjelde, 18, who was missing presumed dead last night.

    "We still need you, Tarald.," he said. "The little big boy with an enthusiasm that infects everyone around you. All the people who wish they had your energy. Your eagerness. If you hadn't been such a great little politician, I am sure you could have been an athlete.

    "You love your football, even if you support the wrong team. How did you end up with Chelsea anyways? Please come home safe so you can tell me. We need you."

    As the death toll from the island climbed to 86, the names of the missing began to filter out. AMong them was Simon Saeboe, 19, who posed with the Prime Minister in 2009.

    Hanne Kristine Fridtun, 20, was last heard from at 6pm on Friday as she swam out into the water with several others.

    "We are twenty people hiding at the water's edge. We are talking quietly so we are not heard," she told NRK, the state broadcaster on the phone.
    Torjus Blattmann, 17, Syvert Knudsen, 17, Marianne Sandvik, 16 and Jamil Rafal Yasin, 20, were also all still missing.

    Friends posted heartfelt messages on Facebook and more than one million joined a tribute page illustrated by a single candle.

    One wrote on Simon Saeboe's page: "This is so unfair and unreal you will always be remembered and never be forgotten" while another added: "I am so glad I had a chance to know you."

    Norway shooting: German tourist hailed a hero after saving 30 lives - Telegraph

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    Norwegian killer probably insane, his lawyer says


    OSLO (Reuters) - The lawyer of a Norwegian who killed at least 76 people in a bombing and a shooting spree said on Tuesday his client appeared to be a madman.

    Friday's attacks by Anders Behring Breivik traumatized normally peaceful Norway, which has been struggling to come to terms with its worst peace-time massacre of modern times.

    "This whole case indicated that he is insane," Geir Lippestad said of the 32-year-old Breivik, who has confessed to "atrocious but necessary" actions, but denies he is a criminal.

    The lawyer said it was too early to say if Breivik would plead insanity at his trial, adding that his client might oppose this as he felt that only he "understands the truth".

    Lippestad said Breivik had stated he belonged to an anti-Islam network that has two cells in Norway and more abroad.

    But police believe Breivik probably acted alone in staging his bloody assaults, which have united Norwegians in revulsion.

    "He hates all Western ideas and the values of democracy ... he expects that this is the start of a war that will last 60 years. He looks upon himself as a warrior. He starts this war and takes some kind of pride in that," Lippestad said.

    Lippestad, a member of the Labour party whose youth wing was the target of shooting rampage on an idyllic island, said he would quit if Breivik did not agree to psychological tests.

    "He has a view of reality that none of the rest of us share," said Lippestad.

    He was previously best known for defending a right-winger who in 2002 got 17 years in prison for the racially motivated murder of Benjamin Hermansen, 15, whose father was African.

    Justice Minister Knut Storberget deflected criticism that police had reacted too slowly to the shooting massacre, hailing as "fantastic" their work after the attacks.

    "It is very important that we have an open and critical approach...but there is a time for everything," Storberget told reporters after talks with Oslo's police chief.

    RESPONSE TIME

    An armed SWAT team took more than an hour to reach Utoeya island, where Breivik was coolly shooting terrified youngsters at a Labour Party youth camp. He killed 68 there and eight in an earlier bombing of Oslo's government district.

    Storberget also denied police had ignored threats posed by right-wing zealots in Norway, saying: "I reject suggestions that we have not had the far-right under the microscope."

    Many Norwegians seem to agree the police do not deserve opprobrium for their response. At a march of more than 100,000 in Oslo on Monday night, people applauded rescue workers.

    The streets were full of red and white roses left after the rally, Norway's biggest since World War Two.

    Norwegian newspapers published pictures and names of some of those killed on the island northwest of Oslo. The youngest was 14. Many were teenagers or in their early 20s.

    Norway has felt some relief that Breivik seems to have acted alone in trying to save Europe from "cultural Marxism" and a "Muslim invasion" by striking at the ruling Labour Party.

    Storberget told Reuters television that Norway had received a "hard lesson" but would remain an open and free democracy, even as it made unspecified changes to improve security.

    There would be, he said, "more openness, more political activity, a better democracy, more safety for the people, but we have to come back to the concrete measures for that".

    Raymond Johansen, general secretary of the Labour Party, also said Norway should remain an open society. "I see it as a quality within Norwegian society that politicians are still close to the people," he said. "I don't think society can fence itself in, but to be open and transparent is the response."

    Police defended themselves from suggestions that some alarm bells should have rung about Breivik. The PST security police say Breivik's name appeared only once, on an Interpol list of 50 to 60 Norwegians, after he paid 120 crowns ($22) to a Polish chemicals firm on a watch list. They found no reason to react.

    Researchers doubt Breivik's claim that he is part of a wider far-right network of anti-Islam "crusaders", seeing it as bragging by a psychopathic fantasist who has written that exaggeration is a way to sow confusion among investigators.

    "NOT PSYCHOTIC"

    Yngve Ystad, a Norwegian forensic psychiatrist and adviser to the police, said it was unlikely that Breivik would be found to be psychotic and thus unaccountable for his actions, or would even be able to claim diminished responsibility.

    "He had planned the crime and he was not in that way disturbed by psychotic or delusional ideas because this has been going on for a very long time and, according to the press, he has not been disturbed or suffered severe disturbances."

    Prosecutors will consider whether Breivik's acts fall under a 2008 law on crimes against humanity, said Staale Eskeland, professor of criminal law at Oslo University.

    "To kill a group of civilians systematically is the basic criteria" for charges of crimes against humanity, he said, adding that the maximum penalty for this offence was 30 years in jail, rather than 21 years under the anti-terrorism law.

    In both cases the sentence can be extended for up to five years at a time if there is risk of repeat offences.

    So far Breivik has been charged with "destabilizing or destroying basic functions of society" and "creating serious fear in the population". Police attorney Christian Hatlo has said Breivik expects to spend the rest of his life in jail.

    In signs that police are skeptical that Breivik was part of a wider network, border controls imposed on July 22 were lifted late on Monday. Norway has not asked other countries to launch probes, nor has it raised the threat level for terrorism.

    Even the final entry in Breivik's own 1,500 page manifesto says on July 22: "The old saying: 'if you want something done, then do it yourself' is as relevant now as it was then."

    "Intuitively, it feels like he is alone when you read the document. It's like he's lost in this made-up world and can't distinguish between fantasy and reality," said Magnus Ranstorp, Research Director at the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defense College.

    "They (mass killers) are usually alone," he said.

    Ragnhild Bjoernebekk, a researcher at Norway's police school, said Breivik was disconnected from his victims.

    "He has no empathy, he is indifferent to the people he kills, he has no conscience and no remorse."
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    Beck slammed for dead teen Hitler comparision

    Glenn Beck slammed by the Norwegian government for on-air comments he made comparing the teenage victims to the Hitler Youth

    July 26, 2011 02:56


    Fox News conservative commentator, Glenn Beck, was slammed Monday for negative comments he said about the Norwegian youth camp that was attacked over the weekend. (Gali Tibbon/AFP/Getty Images)

    Leading US right-wing broadcaster Glenn Beck has been slammed by the Norwegian government for on-air comments he made comparing the teenage victims of the weekend’s massacre to the Hitler Youth.

    In a radio show broadcast in the US overnight, former Fox News presenter and Tea Party poster-boy Glenn Beck said, "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

    A former press secretary to Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg slammed Beck's statements as a "new low", saying they were "ignorant" and "extremely hurtful".

    Torbjorn Eriksen told the Telegraph that “young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about.”

    The Hitler Youth – or Hitler Jugend - was set up by Adolf Hitler in the 1920s to indoctrinate young Germans in Nazism.

    The Labour Party youth camp on Utoya island was attended by 600 people.

    Sixty-eight people died after self-confessed Norwegian "crusader" Anders Behring Breivik opened fire at the camp run by the youth wing if the ruling Labour party.

    The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a Washington-based campaign group, told the Telegraph the remark by Beck was "absolutely disgusting".
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    I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing
    But camps that are all about Jesus are OK and apolitical.
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    I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing
    I know who does a camp for kids that's all about politics!


    New York - Welcome to Tampa Liberty School, a Glenn Beck - inspired summer camp that teaches 8-year-olds how to fight The Man.

    Americans have been sending their kids to summer camp since the 1880s, providing a (mostly) palatable mix of fun and learning - and giving tapped-out parents a much-needed break. So perhaps it isn't surprising that a Tampa Tea Party group has latched onto this storied U.S. tradition to teach kids about history, economics, and... the evils of socialism and paper currency? Here, a brief guide to America's new Tea Party summer camp:

    What is the Tea Party summer camp?

    Tampa Liberty School is a week-long day camp for kids ages 8 to 12. It's run by the Tampa 912 Project, a Tea Party - affiliated group aligned with Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project. The camp itself is organized by conservative writer Jeff Lukens, and will "impart the principles of liberty as discovered and implemented by the founders of our country."

    According to the St. Petersburg Times, those principles include "I believe in God," and "I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."

    Why a summer camp?

    Today's public schools are too politically correct, says Lukens, and kids need to learn the truth in their extra-curricular activities. Lukens was inspired by a similar camp in Kentucky, and vacation bible schools. But though Liberty School is being held in a Christian school, it isn't all about faith. "We want to introduce a younger generation to economics and history, but in a fun way," says Tampa 912 Project chairwoman Karen Jaroch.

    What other principles will Liberty School impart?

    "Timeless and incorruptible" ones, gleaned from the organizers' understanding of the Constitution and other writings of the founding fathers. And how will these lessons be taught? Here are some examples:

    The gold standard is superior: The camp will have a store where kids can buy things using hard, wrapped candies (representing gold), or a paper currency that will lose its purchasing power throughout the week.

    "Some of the kids will fall for it," Lukens says. "Others kids will wise up." Max Read at Gawker finds "the idea of a My First Federal Reserve setting monetary policy... rather endearing." But Salon's Alex Pareene is confused: "What will children buy at the 'store' if they already have candy?"

    "America is good": The kids will start by sitting quietly in a bare room (Europe), then progress through an obstacle course to a festive party room (the New World), where red, white, and blue confetti will be thrown about. Then the kids will have to clean up the confetti, to teach them that freedom requires work and responsibility.

    Maybe, says Gawker's Read, but I bet the smart ones "use their hard, wrapped candies to pay other kids to clean up the confetti."

    Socialism is bad: The campers will blow bubbles from a communal tub of soapy water, then use squirt guns to shoot other kids' bubbles, tallying the number they pop. Next, they will switch to individual bubble containers, popping their own bubbles, to learn "that you can do a lot more with individual freedom," says Lukens.

    Huh? says Kirsten Boyd Johnson at Wonkette. Everyone knows "popping other kids' bubbles is way more fun than popping your own."

    Will parents really send their kids here?

    Well, it's a great bargain, at only $15 total for five 3-hour days. Earlier this week, eight of the 40 available slots had already been filled.

    If the camp is a hit, its organizers want to offer more sessions, either over the summer or during the school year, possibly even in public schools during Constitution Week. "We plan on coming back and coming back and coming back," chants Lukens.

    What are the chances the camp will produce young Tea Partiers?

    Well, the campers will turn out to be either "insufferable, proselytizing Ayn Rand adolescents" or "black-clad teen-age loners who love Death Metal and hate their parents," says Heather (Digby) Parton at Hullaballoo. Either way, am I the only one who sees "the irony of indoctrination into individualism?"
    Glenn Beck 'Indoctrinates' Kids With His Upcoming Tea Party Summer Camp -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

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    Too bad somebody didn't put a bullet in this cunt's head. Dumbass motherfucker.
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    Speaking of right wingers contradicting themselves, here is some pretzel logic from Bill O'Reilly:
    Request for Proposal (RFP) Template Bill O'Reilly sternly criticized the media for describing Anders Behring-Breivik, the man who has admitted to committing the mass killings in Norway, as a Christian, saying that such a thing was "impossible."

    O'Reilly singled out the New York Times, which called Breivik a "Christian extremist" in an article. Breivik also referred to himself as a Christian, as did the Norwegian police, and his 1,500 page manifesto has been described as coming from a Christian perspective. In the manifesto, he writes that he does not have a "personal," religious relationship with Christ, believes in Christianity "as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform," which he says "makes [me] Christian."
    To O'Reilly, though, it was "impossible" that Breivik is a Christian.

    "No one believing in Jesus commits mass murder," he said. "The man might have called himself a Christian on the net, but he is certainly not of that faith...we can find no evidence, none, that this killer practiced Christianity in any way."

    He said that the reason the media was calling Breivik a Christian was because "the left wants you to believe that fundamentalists Christians are a threat just like crazy jihadists are." O'Reilly called this notion "dishonest and insane," saying that no government was backing Breivik's ideology.

    O'Reilly also said that the media "is pushing the Christian angle [because] they don't like Christians very much because we are too judgmental," and that the press want to "diminish" social and religious conservatives.

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    I'm getting more pissed off by the minute. This jackass probably has no fucking clue about the atrocities committed in Norway during the Nazi occupation and how incredibly fucking offensive his comment was. He would never say no shit like that about Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
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    i think it's making right-wing christian fundies uncomfortable that there really isn't that much difference between breivik and themselves.
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    Anyone else more than a little freaked out by the prevalence of people defending him in the comments portions of major news sites? I mean, there are always going to be some wackos/trolls out there, but the number siding with him seems unusually high
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    I cannot fathom how ANYONE with half a braincell or a tiny shred of sanity could agree with him. It's depressing to think there are that many people out there that could defend him.
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    That German tourist is awesomem Norwegian response notso much.

    Glenn Beck is awful, beyond i awful. He is so gateful, too vad we live in a country without hate laws like Europe's.

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