Josef Fritzl could face up to 3,000 counts of rape

[Honey]

Josef Fritzl could go on trial in December



Senior legal sources have revealed that he has admitted to sleeping with his daughter Elisabeth "two or three times a week" during the 24 years he kept her locked in a basement prison.
And Fritzl, 74, could be in court as early as December, Austrian media sources said on Monday.
Last week state prosecutors announced that Fritzl's trial would be heard in private apart from opening formalities and sentencing.
They expect to officially file formal charges by the end of October.
Austrian newspaper Kurier said court officials believed it might be impossible to find enough jurors who have not already made up their minds about Fritzl's guilt.
Under Austrian law there must be eight jurors and two substitutes.
"But we are a small country. There can't be 10 people out there who don't already have strong opinions about this man and what he's done," explained one legal source.
Fritzl kept daughter Elisabeth, 42, as his sex slave during 24 years of captivity, fathering seven children. One child died soon after birth.
Last week it was reported that Elisabeth Fritzl had rejected offers by Austrian authorities to give her family a new identity. She has said she will just change her surname.

Josef Fritzl: Incest dungeon father could face up to 3,000 counts of rape - Telegraph

[greysfang]

Does Austria not have the death penalty?

[ManxMouse]

Originally Posted by greysfang

Does Austria not have the death penalty?

no way. I don't think any Western European country does. And I'm not sure you can be in the EU if you do, come to think of it.

[yanna]

What Manx said. No EU country has it and no country that enforces it can be in the EU.

[sputnik]

the US is the only western country that has the death penalty. and i think japan is the only other developed country that has it.

[yanna]

And I wish someone would just dump that sick fuck in the gen pop in jail and let the inmates deal with him. He will mysteriously shank himself in the stomach before long.

[tee-ha-ha]

Originally Posted by ManxMouse

no way. I don't think any Western European country does. And I'm not sure you can be in the EU if you do, come to think of it.

That's true; no EU member nation can have the DP. Every EU member nation has abolished it, and many that have only recently abolished it had not practiced it in some time.

[tee-ha-ha]

Originally Posted by sputnik

the US is the only western country that has the death penalty. and i think japan is the only other developed country that has it.

That isn't true. The US is the only major Western power that still has it, but we're not the only western or "developed" country that has it.

Take a look at this map, including all these islands in the Caribbean that still have it; many are former/current British colonial possessions:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._World_Map.png

Looking at this map it appears that Belarus is the only European nation still using the DP. Also, China practices the DP and it's a leap to say that China is not a developed country.

As for EU nations, Brussels may forbid the DP but that does not mean that there is not considerable public support for it in many EU nations including France and the United Kingdom. I saw polls in the UK indicating that around half of the population would like to see the DP brought back. In France the most I ever saw was about 1/3, but that's still an extrapolation of 20 million French citizens supporting capital punishment.

I myself do not support the DP. I don't think judicial executions are necessarily immoral, but in practice it's too easy to execute an innocent person. Even in the US, where we have an extremely solid justice system (even with its flaws), it's possible to execute innocent people. It does not have its intended impact because executions are sterile and held out of public view. How can putting someone to sleep behind closed doors possibly deter crime? Breaking someone on the wheel and drawing and quartering them in public might, but that'll never happen here. I think it's time to do away with it, but I do not think we're savages for having it.

[Rica]

This is one situation when there is no need for a trial.

[sputnik]

Originally Posted by tee-ha-ha

That isn't true. The US is the only major Western power that still has it, but we're not the only western or "developed" country that has it.

Take a look at this map, including all these islands in the Caribbean that still have it; many are former/current British colonial possessions:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._World_Map.png

Looking at this map it appears that Belarus is the only European nation still using the DP. Also, China practices the DP and it's a leap to say that China is not a developed country.

As for EU nations, Brussels may forbid the DP but that does not mean that there is not considerable public support for it in many EU nations including France and the United Kingdom. I saw polls in the UK indicating that around half of the population would like to see the DP brought back. In France the most I ever saw was about 1/3, but that's still an extrapolation of 20 million French citizens supporting capital punishment.

I myself do not support the DP. I don't think judicial executions are necessarily immoral, but in practice it's too easy to execute an innocent person. Even in the US, where we have an extremely solid justice system (even with its flaws), it's possible to execute innocent people. It does not have its intended impact because executions are sterile and held out of public view. How can putting someone to sleep behind closed doors possibly deter crime? Breaking someone on the wheel and drawing and quartering them in public might, but that'll never happen here. I think it's time to do away with it, but I do not think we're savages for having it.

of course angry mobs support the death penalty. they'd probably support public lynchings for paedophiles as well. luckily, civilization means that not everything that's 'popular' is made legal. majorities make sucky decisions all the time, or vote for shit that is then overturned because it's unconstitutional.
also, i said i think japan is the only other developed nation besides the US. i didn't say i was sure. maybe i should have said "japan and the US are the only developed, western-style democracies that have the death penalty, barring a few tiny little islands/former colonies". better? china's totalitarian, it shouldn't exactly be used as an example.

[cmmdee]

This is sooo disgusting.
This man is such a vile vile vile fucktard. There aren't words to properly describe how low he is.

[AliceInWonderland]

this story is so disturbing beyond belief! and sickening i might add.

Originally Posted by greysfang

Does Austria not have the death penalty?

^ i dunno, but just kill him already!

[tee-ha-ha]

Originally Posted by sputnik

of course angry mobs support the death penalty. they'd probably support public lynchings for paedophiles as well. luckily, civilization means that not everything that's 'popular' is made legal. majorities make sucky decisions all the time, or vote for shit that is then overturned because it's unconstitutional.

Would you classify half the British population as an "angry mob"? I wouldn't.

also, i said i think japan is the only other developed nation besides the US. i didn't say i was sure. maybe i should have said "japan and the US are the only developed, western-style democracies that have the death penalty, barring a few tiny little islands/former colonies". better? china's totalitarian, it shouldn't exactly be used as an example.

You said developed, not democratic.

[Honey]

Half the UK want the death penalty brought back? I find that abit disturbing being anti myself

[sputnik]

Originally Posted by tee-ha-ha

Would you classify half the British population as an "angry mob"? I wouldn't.



You said developed, not democratic.

i'm an elitist bitch, so i think majorities are very often in the wrong
(btw, that was said tongue-in-cheek, not to be taken 100% literally )
i bet more than half the population would support public executions of paedophiles and rapists - doesn't make it right. public executions used to be a form of entertainment, 'bread and circus' and all that... just saying. democracy is one thing, total majority rule/tyranny of the masses is another. you also need safeguards in place to prevent the will of the people always winning. sometimes the will of the people is wrong and has to be ignored. things like gay marriage, abortion, etc. cannot be decided by majorities. a good example of this is desegregation of schools in the US. i'm sure if you'd put it to a vote, it wouldn't have passed. instead, they had to decide it and send in the national guard to make sure it was enforced.

and yeah, i know i wasn't precise enough. but i meant developed, democratic countries because, like i said, china's not exactly the best example to cite in order to justify your own country's use of the death penalty.