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    EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. - A woman was charged Saturday in the deaths of a pregnant friend and the fetus authorities believe she cut out from the slain woman's womb after knocking the victim unconscious.

    Tiffany Hall, 24, was charged as authorities implored the public for help in their search for the victim's two sons, ages 7 and 2, and 1-year-old daughter. Authorities say they were last seen with Hall on Monday, three days before she was taken into custody.

    Hall, who was jailed on $5 million bond, faces charges of first-degree murder and intentional homicide of an unborn child in the death of 23-year-old Jimella Tunstall, said St. Clair County State's Attorney Robert Haida.

    Relatives of both women told media outlets the two grew up together and attended alternative schools. The woman in custody often baby-sat Tunstall's children, and Tunstall never expressed worry about leaving them in her care, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

    An autopsy showed Tunstall bled to death after sustaining an abdominal wound caused by a sharp object, believed to be scissors, said Ace Hart, a deputy St. Clair County coroner.

    Hart said he believes Tunstall was knocked unconscious before her baby, seven months into gestation, was removed during a slaying he called "very graphic and very brutal."

    Officials were optimistic about the prospects of finding the children unharmed. Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler said authorities will not end the search until the children are found.

    "We have no evidence that leads us to believe they're dead," he said, adding two or three additional sites will be searched in and around East St. Louis on Sunday.

    "These children are from East St. Louis," said Police Chief James Mister. "They know how to survive."

    Koehler and Mister refused to publicly discuss the evidence or possible statements Hall has made to investigators. Authorities have also refused to reveal how the women knew each other, or whether Hall's alleged confession came before Tunstall's body was found.

    Hall will likely be arraigned Monday on the charges, each carrying a 20 to 60 years or life in prison, Haida said. The murder count could be punishable by the death penalty.

    "It's way too early to talk about that," Haida said. "Obviously, it's a very devastating situation for the families, but we're hopeful for a positive outcome in the return of the three children."

    The charges came a day after a meticulous scouring of the 1,100-acre Frank Holten State Park, just blocks from where Tunstall's body was found. Investigators would not say what led them to believe the children were there.

    Officials suspect Tunstall was slain on or about Sept. 15, Haida said.

    The same day, Hall summoned police to the Frank Holten park, saying she had gone into labor, Hart said. The dead baby, taken to a hospital, showed no signs of trauma, and an autopsy the next day failed to pinpoint a cause of death, he said.

    Hall would not let doctors at the hospital examine her and offered conflicting reasons for why she went into labor, alternately saying she had consensual sex and was raped, Hart said.

    Authorities say Hall acknowledged to her boyfriend during the baby's funeral Thursday that the child wasn't his, and that she killed the mother. The boyfriend told police, who arrested his girlfriend hours later, investigators said.

    DNA tests should determine definitively whether the baby was the one Tunstall was carrying, Hart said.

    The baby was buried Thursday as Taylor Horn after a funeral arranged by L. King Funeral Chapel, whose president said Hall called minutes after the service was to start, asking if she could reschedule for a different day so more relatives could attend. At the time, Levi King said, only two relatives were there.

    The woman showed up two hours late, ultimately signing an affidavit for the funeral home stating that the child was hers, King said.

    The East St. Louis case is the second recent case in the area involving babies.

    Shannon Torrez, 36, of Lonedell, Mo. south of St. Louis, about an hour's drive from here is accused of slashing a young mother's throat and kidnapping her baby on Sept. 15. The baby was returned unharmed Tuesday, the same day Torrez was arrested.

    Also in Missouri, Lisa Montgomery will stand trial April 30 on charges of snatching a baby from the womb of Bobbie Jo Stinnett at her Skidmore, Mo., home in 2004. The baby survived.
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    I have a bad feeling those kids are dead.

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    A one year old knows how to survive because they are from East St Louis? I have heard that it's a rough area, but a one year old cannot possibly survive w/o assistance ANYWHERE.

    Seriously, this baby snatching shit is getting outta control in a huge way. This is just nuts. What's going on?

    Hope they find the kids, safe and sound.

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    EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. - Three children belonging to a pregnant woman who died when her fetus was cut from her womb have been found dead, according to local media reports.

    The bodies of 7-year-old Demond Tunstall and his siblings Ivan, 2, and Jenilla, 1, were found in a housing compex in East St. Louis late on Saturday, KSDTK-TV reported. The three had been missing since at least Monday.

    A woman was charged Saturday in the deaths of the children’s pregnant mother and the fetus authorities believe she cut out from the slain woman’s womb after knocking the victim unconscious.


    Tiffany Hall, 24, was charged as authorities searched for the dead woman’s three children. Authorities say they were last seen with Hall on Monday, three days before she was taken into custody.

    Hall faces charges of first-degree murder and intentional homicide of an unborn child in the death of 23-year-old Jimella Tunstall, said St. Clair County State’s Attorney Robert Haida.

    Hall is being held in lieu of $5 million bail in the St. Clair County Jail in Belleville.

    Relatives of both women told media outlets the two grew up together and attended alternative schools. The woman in custody often baby-sat Tunstall’s children, and Tunstall never expressed worry about leaving them in her care, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

    An autopsy showed Tunstall bled to death after sustaining an abdominal wound caused by a sharp object, believed to be scissors, said Ace Hart, a deputy St. Clair County coroner.

    Hart said he believes Tunstall was knocked unconscious before her baby, seven months into gestation, was removed during a slaying he called “very graphic and very brutal.”

    Still searching for 3 children
    Officials were optimistic about the prospects of finding the children unharmed. Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler said authorities will not end the search until the children are found.

    “We have no evidence that leads us to believe they’re dead,” he said, adding two or three additional sites will be searched in and around East St. Louis on Sunday.

    “These children are from East St. Louis,” said Police Chief James Mister. “They know how to survive.”

    Koehler and Mister refused to publicly discuss the evidence or possible statements Hall has made to investigators. Authorities have also refused to reveal how the women knew each other, or whether Hall’s alleged confession came before Tunstall’s body was found.

    Haida did not immediately return messages Saturday seeking information on Hall’s arraignment and attorney.

    The charges came a day after a meticulous scouring of the 1,100-acre Frank Holten State Park, just blocks from where Tunstall’s body was found. Investigators would not say what led them to believe the children were there.

    Woman gave different stories about baby
    Hall summoned police to the Frank Holten park on Sept. 15, saying she had gone into labor, Hart said. The dead baby, taken to a hospital, showed no signs of trauma, and an autopsy the next day failed to pinpoint a cause of death, he said.

    Hall would not let doctors at the hospital examine her and offered conflicting reasons for why she went into labor, alternately saying she had consensual sex and was raped, Hart said.

    Authorities say Hall acknowledged to her boyfriend during the baby’s funeral Thursday that the child wasn’t his, and that she killed the mother. The boyfriend told police, who arrested his girlfriend hours later, investigators said.

    DNA tests should determine definitively whether the baby was the one Tunstall was carrying, Hart said.

    The baby was buried Thursday as Taylor Horn after a funeral arranged by L. King Funeral Chapel, whose president said Hall called minutes after the service was to start, asking if she could reschedule for a different day so more relatives could attend. At the time, Levi King said, only two relatives were there.

    The woman showed up two hours late, ultimately signing an affidavit for the funeral home stating that the child was hers, King said.



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    I am nearly 7 months pregnant, how horribly creepy and tragic is this? This is outa control.

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    A one year old knows how to survive because they are from East St Louis? I have heard that it's a rough area, but a one year old cannot possibly survive w/o assistance ANYWHERE.
    I reacted the same way to that statement. Anyway, the whole story is just horrible. I too wonder what the hell is going on.
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    This may sound weird but, at least they're all in heaven somewhere together. I could just imagine what it would have been like if they grew up without a mother. They didn't mention if their mother was married or had a boyfriend so I assumed she was a single mom. I hope none of the kids witnessed their mom having her baby ripped out of her. If this woman had a compationate bone in her body I would hope that she made the kids deaths painless.

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    Lots of people grow up without one or the other parent. Speaking for myself, I think that would be preferable to death.
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    Horrendous. Seriously, just so wrong. Those poor poor children....

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    so like.. why did she do it?
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    That's what I want to know. CNN.com states that after the children were killed, they were placed in a washer and dryer! This is some sick shit.

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    What a stupid bitch! I would love to see this girl be sent to prison and let out in the yard so all the other female inmates could beat the holy hell out of her (to begin with). This evil woman is going to be locked up with a lot of female inmates-most of whom are mothers themselves. Most of these women inmates won't even be able to fathom the idea of how this nut case not only cut her friend's baby out of her stomach but murdered those three innocent kids!

    This is such a sick story. I tell you, fricken demons walk amongst us and the more I hear stories like this, the more I'm convinced of it.

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    The sick freakshow that did this has children of her own--so what was her motive like Grimm asked??

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    The police are keeping quiet on that right now. Apparently the bitch drowned the kids, and then placed them in the washing machine.

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    ^^these poor kids. I could not find anything about any possible motive. They were so small they did not stand a chance against an adult.

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    Nice. Real nice. Hope she fries.

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    This is the killer:


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