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Old July 25th, 2006, 08:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Man hit with bill in lover's suicide

Talk about heartless!!

Man hit with bill in lover’s suicide

Apartment complex now plans to charge victim’s estate instead.

A column by Kevin Leininger
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“He was the most full-of-life person I’ve ever met. He could light up a whole room just by being there and was the kind of guy you liked the moment you met him,” Dustin Gentis said as he looked across the table at a photograph of Brock Carteaux, his roommate and partner for more than two years.

“I loved him.”

So when Gentis returned from work April 28 to find Carteaux’s body on the blood-soaked, living-room carpet of their West Washington Center Road apartment, dead from a self-inflicted shotgun blast to the head, he thought his grief could get no worse.

He was wrong.

“I couldn’t pay this even if I wanted to,” the 25-year-old Gentis said, clutching a document that gives new meaning to “adding insult to injury” — a letter from Archer’s Pointe Apartments demanding he pay $1,467 to clean the blood stains from the couple’s two-bedroom apartment. “It was the worse thing I ever saw, and I can’t get the image out of my head. I haven’t been able to work; I’m on anti-depressants, in counseling, and now I have to deal with this, too.”

Not long after I started looking into this story – the likes of which local Apartment Association Executive Director Jay Scott had never seen – officials with Gene B. Glick Co. of Indianapolis had a change of heart, telling Gentis they would seek payment from Carteaux’s estate instead.

Great. But why did the company, which manages 19,000 apartments in 11 states, do such an apparently unusual, obviously callous thing in the first place?

Citing privacy concerns, Glick officials wouldn’t talk. But, according to a letter from Archer’s Pointe Property Manager Tracy Stolte to Gentis, “any repairs that are beyond normal wear and tear are the financial responsibility of the residents. Although we are extremely sympathetic to your loss, at this time, we cannot take on the financial responsibility of the bill per your lease agreement.”

No doubt cleaning an apartment after a particularly messy suicide does constitute more than “normal wear and tear.” Archer’s Pointe wouldn’t have called in the Illinois-based Aftermath Inc. – “specialists in crime scene & tragedy cleanup” – to remove the usual stains on walls and floors.

But surely the question needs to be asked, especially now that Glick has changed its corporate mind: Perhaps the company had the legal right to do what it did, but was it morally right?

The issue here isn’t – or shouldn’t be, at least – Gentis’ and Carteaux’s sexual orientation. The issue here isn’t homosexuality, but the ability to show compassion to those who mourn.

There’s no evidence the couple’s relationship motivated the apartment owners’ response to Carteaux’s death. Several other gays live at Archer’s Pointe, Gentis said, and he’s never heard any talk of problems with management. “Still, I have to wonder. Would they have done this to a grieving mother whose child died?” he asked.

“I’m just happy this (bill) has been taken care of (for Gentis). Sometimes the Lord’s justice prevails,” said Steve Jones, senior pastor of First Missionary Church on Rudisill Boulevard, which has been supporting Gentis financially since his partner’s death.

Unfortunately, not all of Gentis’ problems can be solved so quickly and easily. Given his still-fragile mental state, he’s not sure when – or if – he’ll be able to return to his sales job at Covenant Filtration Co. He still wonders why a young man so full of life would buy a shotgun on the same day he turned it on himself. He’s hurt Carteaux never hinted at his deadly plan. “But he probably kept quiet because he knew I’d try to stop him.”

And, despite Glick’s about-face and help from the church, Gentis’ financial problems remain. Even though the rent on his one-bedroom apartment at Archer’s Pointe is $100 a month less than the rent on the two-bedroom apartment the two men once shared, Carteaux’s no longer there to help pay the bills.

Not that Carteaux was rich, which Glick may learn should it try to bill his estate. “Brock was 19 and worked at Glamour Shots (a photographic studio),” Gentis said. “He didn’t have any money.”

Gentis doesn’t have much money, either, but at least he doesn’t have a $1,467 bill to pay. And he does have memories: some warm, some unimaginably painful.

Some of that pain could have been avoided.

source: http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortway...l/15100309.htm
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Old July 25th, 2006, 08:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Uh, I'm thinking the security deposit could cover some of it, but honestly why should the apartment complex incur cost because someone decided to mess up the carpets? It's not their fault either.

Yeah, it is sad. At the same time, it's a business....and since when does compassion enter into the business world? I'm sure they FEEL compassion...but it's not their responsibility to clean up the mess.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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$100 for rent? Holy crap what state is this in.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Uh, I'm thinking the security deposit could cover some of it, but honestly why should the apartment complex incur cost because someone decided to mess up the carpets? It's not their fault either.

Yeah, it is sad. At the same time, it's a business....and since when does compassion enter into the business world? I'm sure they FEEL compassion...but it's not their responsibility to clean up the mess.
Your kind of "compassion" is why things are such a mess, IMO. We need deeds, not platitudes.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 11:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The issue here isn’t – or shouldn’t be, at least – Gentis’ and Carteaux’s sexual orientation. The issue here isn’t homosexuality, but the ability to show compassion to those who mourn
I'm sorry - did I miss something? Has the company ever indicated their decision has been influenced by their tenants' sexual orientation or is somebody playing the Gay Card here? It's a very sad situation and I suppose the company could foot the cleaning bill as a gesture of goodwill and/or sympathy to the bereaved partner, but the rules are the rules and someone blasting their brains out all over the carpet would certainly fall outside "normal wear and tear" so they are certainly within their legal rights. Whether they are doing the moral thing is another matter.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 01:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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^^Ok..what is this 'Gay Card' thing and where can I get one??..do I get a discount at A&F with it?

Actually I have to agree. It was perfectly legal to send the bill, or more precisely to bill the estate. Not very nice and thoughtful, but legal. I do wonder if they would have done the same thing to a mother who had lost her child..as was mentioned in the article. But regardless it was legal at least. Extremely sad for a 19 year-old to do something like this. Suicide is so devastating to the people left behind. I can only imagine the horrible state the body was in after a shotgun blast to the head..*shiver*. I hope the surviving partner can pull himself together. Good thing he has that church for support-financial and moral-I am sure he is really going to need it.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 10:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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$100 for rent? Holy crap what state is this in.
No, the one bedroom apartment that he died in was $100 cheaper than the two bedroom they previously shared....
That would be a horrible thing to go through. I hope that he can work through this.
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As a Property Manager, I would have a fiscal duty to charge back to the tenants on the lease for the extra cost. Yes, it's cold thing to do, but I would have no choice but to do that. That being said, I would not have just mailed him the bill, I would have requested a meeting with him or the deceased family several weeks after the incident. Then I would have worked out something, maybe even absorbed the cost if I was directed to by the Board of Directors.

Don't be jumping all over the managers until you know the full story!
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Old July 28th, 2006, 11:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Your kind of "compassion" is why things are such a mess, IMO. We need deeds, not platitudes.
I'm sorry that you don't agree with my opinion. If you feel so bad about it, pay for it. I can certainly feel COMPASSION....but I fail to see how the conus is on the complex to pay for HAZMAT CLEANUP? It was a horrible situation to begin with, but certainly not by any fault of the complex.

IMO....your responses to ANY of my posts are critical in nature, no matter what the issue. I'll keep that in mind...
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^^^^ Agreed

I don't mean to sound cold - but this why you should get a renter insurance policy (like homeowners ins) and I have to be honest - why shouldn't he or the deceased man's estate pay to have it clean?

On the flip side the complex could put a claim in on their general liability insurance but I have to be honest they are not resposible to pay for the cleaning.

Besides -no one is going to want to rent the place (people are funny about murder and suicide) so it will hurt them as well.
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Geez...people don't seem to get that a 19 year old man put a shotgun to his head and blew his head off. That is the real tragedy, not who pays the damn cleaning bill. I am not that religious of a person but thank God that surviving guy has that church assisting him in this cold and brutal world we live in.


*Also this was not even really in the best economic interest of the complex..I wish they would have though about things a little more. All they have now is a shitload of negative publicity. I can only imagine how bad it must look for them in the local area there.*
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I'm sorry that you don't agree with my opinion. If you feel so bad about it, pay for it. I can certainly feel COMPASSION....but I fail to see how the conus is on the complex to pay for HAZMAT CLEANUP? It was a horrible situation to begin with, but certainly not by any fault of the complex.

IMO....your responses to ANY of my posts are critical in nature, no matter what the issue. I'll keep that in mind...
It appears that the complex has absorbed the cost so there is no need for me to pay for it. I have, however, contributed and/or paid -- and I do not earn much money at the moment, but funnily enough, it's often the people who can least afford it who are the most generous -- for many things to help out people I know, and also people I don't know.

As I wrote earlier, too many people talk about feeling compassion, but almost nobody acts on it. Talk is cheap....
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Geez...people don't seem to get that a 19 year old man put a shotgun to his head and blew his head off. That is the real tragedy, not who pays the damn cleaning bill. I am not that religious of a person but thank God that surviving guy has that church assisting him in this cold and brutal world we live in.


*Also this was not even really in the best economic interest of the complex..I wish they would have though about things a little more. All they have now is a shitload of negative publicity. I can only imagine how bad it must look for them in the local area there.*
Well, the article is trying to make it that it's a anti-gay thing and not just a matter of "business at hand" - which admittedly turns me off - and come to think of it the actually article doesn't focus on the "real tragedy" either.

.................. and I have no idea where I'm going with this....

I do agree - his death is the tragedy.
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