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    Default Amsterdam plans to create 'scum villages' for 'antisocial' tenants

    The Dutch city has a reputation for its liberal policies, but now it has announced a scheme to house antisocial tenants in converted shipping containers



    Amsterdam's anti-social tenants will be housed in converted shipping containers, such as these already used by students. Photograph: Paul O'Driscoll/Bloomberg News




    Amsterdam still looks liberal to tourists, who were recently assured by the Labour mayor that the city's marijuana-selling coffee shops would stay open despite a new national law tackling drug tourism. But the Dutch capital may lose its reputation for tolerance over plans to dispatch nuisance neighbours to "scum villages" made from shipping containers.


    The mayor, Eberhard van der Laan, insists his controversial new £810,000 policy to tackle antisocial behaviour is to protect victims of abuse and homophobia from harassment.
    The camps where antisocial tenants will be rehoused for three to six months have been called "scum villages" because the policy echoes proposals from Geert Wilders, the far-right populist, who last year demanded that "repeat offenders" be "sent to a village for scum".


    But Bartho Boer, a spokesman for the mayor, denies that the plans are illiberal. "We want to defend the liberal values of Amsterdam," he says. "We want everyone to be who he and she is – whether they are gay and lesbian or stand up to violence and are then victims of harassment. We as a society want to defend them."


    According to Boer, the villages are not for "the regular nuisance between two neighbours where one has the stereo too loud on Saturday night" but "people who are extremely violent and intimidating and in a clear situation where a victim is being repeatedly harassed".


    Those deemed guilty of causing "extreme havoc" will be evicted and placed in temporary homes of a "basic" nature, including converted shipping containers in industrial areas of the city. "We call it a living container," says Boer. Housing antisocial tenants in these units, which have showers and kitchens and have been used as student accommodation, will ensure that they are not "rewarded" by being relocated to better accommodation.


    Dutch newspaper the Parool has pointed out that in the 19th century troublemakers were moved to villages in Drenthe and Overijssel, which rapidly became slums. But Boer insists that the administration has learned from past mistakes and is not planning to house the antisocial together.


    It would be more accurate to call them "scum houses" than scum villages, says Boer, "because we don't want to put more than one of these families in the same area". After up to six months in these houses, scattered around the city, the tenants will be found permanent homes. The city government anticipates moving around 10 families a year into this programme, which starts in 2013.


    The temporary dwellings will be heavily policed, but antisocial tenants will also have access to doctors, social workers and parole officers. "They are taken care of so the whole situation is not going to repeat at the new house they are in," says Boer.



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    I don't even know where to start with this.
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    unpopular opinion: i don't think this is necessarily a bad idea. but it will depend on execution. and who exactly gets rehoused into these units. also, i think this should include mandatory courses on how to be decent, non-violent neighbours.
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    Haha, I was going to say this doesn't seem like such a bad idea! The name is bad, but nuisance neighbours are a real problem, I don't know what the answer is though.
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    So what are these nuisance neighbors doing exactly? I think the article is kind of vague about what constitutes "extreme havoc".

    To be honest, I don't understand anything about this article. As much as I hate biggots and assholes, this sounds like fascist thought control to me. I don't live in Holland, so maybe I'm not understanding the level of violence that's going on against gays and lesbians there.
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    I would like to nominate my asshole neighbors to live in this place.
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    Well, my first thought was to send the Kardashians there.
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    I would think if the "nuisance neighbors" were committing acts of violence they would be in jail. So I'm guessing this is a program for assholes? Extreme assholes? I don't get it at all. I don't like the idea of government uprooting you from your home because your a dick.
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    Ever have that one or two houses on the block or neighborhood that starts all the bullshit, perhaps they or their guests are responsible for a majority of the robberies in the area?
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    I need some clarification too. I need a definition for "antisocial" as it applies to Holland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterslide View Post
    Well, my first thought was to send the Kardashians there.
    See, you DO get it!

    The part about Drenthe and the 19th century caught my eye, since I read a big bio of van Gogh at Christmas (Hey, I like a cheery holiday!) and he lived in Drenthe for a while mostly because it was affordable. Now I see why. Context is everything! Sounds like my town. We've had tons of artists move in because they like the rents. Awesome side effect of being slummy...

    Quote Originally Posted by MmeVertigina View Post
    I need some clarification too. I need a definition for "antisocial" as it applies to Holland.
    Probably about half as antisocial as it takes to get some attention here?

    Well, but the quote "people who are extremely violent and intimidating and in a clear situation where a victim is being repeatedly harassed" is pretty vivid. Think about situations you've heard of/seen/perhaps even been the target before...I think most of us can come up with something.

    For me: my insane ex-neighbor in Oakland used to deface my car, call me racial slurs whenever she saw me, left me threatening anonymous notes (yeah, I saw her leave one, the dumbass), and she would have her friends talk about me outside my apt--things they wanted to do to me, how they were gonna have me killed, etc. Of course it was all bullshit. But I know there is little the police could've done about it--without a smoking gun (and a bullet hole somewhere in or near me) anyway.

    (She was jealous that my parking spot was bigger than hers. Really.)

    Now, I suppose some U.S. right-wingers would call the Netherlands "socialist", or whatever. (Are they? I usually only think of that region in terms of art and stuff like that...windmills...tulips!...don't know much about their government except they're mellow on weed.) Here, some communities do have "nuisance ordinances", where landlords are required to evict tenants who repeatedly engage in crime. But that's crime as in "getting arrested", far as I know. What they're doing in Amsterdam, if I'm getting this correct, is a sort of "nuisance/harassment/total asshole at large scaring people" measure to deal with cases like mine, where arrest and attempted prosecution aren't really practical or even possible.

    My general impression of the Netherlands is that I don't need to worry about them going all Nazified on anybody's ass. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    unpopular opinion: i don't think this is necessarily a bad idea. but it will depend on execution. and who exactly gets rehoused into these units. also, i think this should include mandatory courses on how to be decent, non-violent neighbours.
    Exactly! <<not sure why that smiley applies here, but somehow it does.
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