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Old October 23rd, 2009, 05:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dallas police chief: Dozens of tickets issued for not speaking English | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News
Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle said this afternoon that his officers have written at least 39 citations to people over the past three years for not speaking English.
Apologizing publicly to the city's Spanish-speaking community, the chief said all officers and supervisors involved will be investigated for dereliction of duty. All pending citations will be dismissed, and people who paid fines will be reimbursed.

"I was stunned that this would happen," Kunkle said at a news conference.
The police chief added: "In my world, you would never tell someone not to speak Spanish."
The bogus citations – there is no law requiring Dallas residents to speak English – came to light after it was revealed that a rookie officer, Gary Bromley, had issued a citation on Oct. 2 to Ernestina Mondragon for being a non-English-speaking driver.
Bromley had stopped the 48-year-old woman for making an improper U-turn in the 500 block of Easton Road, near East Northwest Highway, according to the citation.
Police officials at first dismissed Bromley's action as the foolish error of an inexperienced cop.
"That's a charge that does not exist here in the city of Dallas," said Sgt. Warren Mitchell, a department spokesman.
"Although we believe it was a sincere mistake ... there's no excuse for it."
He said that charge and a charge of failure to present a driver's license were dropped.
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In all, about Dallas police write about 400,000 citations a year, department officials said.
Bromley, 33, is a trainee officer in the Northeast Patrol division. His trainer on the date the ticket was issued was Senior Cpl. Daniel Larkin, 53, said Deputy Chief Tom Lawrence, Northeast Patrol commander.
Under the Dallas City Code, taxi drivers must be able to communicate in English. Mitchell said there is also a federal statute that says commercial drivers must speak English, but it would not have applied in this case.
Mondragon's daughter Brenda Mondragon said her mother was rushing to take her younger sister to school that day and did not see the "no U-turn" sign. Records show Ernestina Mondragon has a driver's license, but her daughter said she had forgotten it. She said her mother, a native Spanish speaker, speaks limited English.
"She was very mad; she was very upset," Mondragon said of her mother's reaction. "We ended up taking her to the [emergency room] because she was nervous; she was just stressing over the ticket."
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 06:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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um, wtf is wrong with Texas?!


what is this wet-panty fit people get into over language?! don't people realize how fluid it is?! how it's not tied to land?! how even if it was, that land isn't English!

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Old October 23rd, 2009, 06:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry but I bet non-English speakers (yeah right) try to pull this shit all the time when they get a ticket and I bet the cops are sick of it. It happens here with Asian and Middle Eastern people, some of them born and bred here who are fluent in English but suddenly "forget" when it suits them. I would too.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 06:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm going to forget how to speak english and just blather on in german if i ever get pulled over
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 07:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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its America. speak English. Plain and Simple
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I get sick of people refusing to speak English when they come to the U.S. But giving people tickets just because they don't speak English is ridiculous.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 07:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I get sick of people refusing to speak English when they come to the U.S. But giving people tickets just because they don't speak English is ridiculous.
True. Our Police Chief is really a good man.
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True. Our Police Chief is really a good man.
The chief sounds like a good guy. But this story has Gov. Rick Perry written all over it.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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its America. speak English. Plain and Simple
So what about foreign tourists who don't speak English? And honestly, it's not easy learning a new language. Lord knows there are any number of languages I continue to not speak, despite having lived in the country where it's spoken. This is just an excuse to harrass people, plain and simple.
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So what about foreign tourists who don't speak English? And honestly, it's not easy learning a new language. Lord knows there are any number of languages I continue to not speak, despite having lived in the country where it's spoken. This is just an excuse to harrass people, plain and simple.
I don't think people expect tourists to learn English, but if you're going to live in an English-speaking country then you should learn the language. The same would be true of an American moving to a non-English speaking country. You should learn the language of your new country, instead of expecting them to learn your language.
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I know what you're saying but I have to admit that I am completely dreadful at languages and can't really get past the ordering a glass of wine stage in most, no matter how hard I try. It's embarrassing and I don't really know what the solution is. I guess this is why I sympathize with people who don't learn. It's easier said than done. (I can swear, though, in at least 7 languages, which is somewhat helpful.)
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True. Learning a new language is tough. But if people are going to pick up and move to an entirely different country then they should plan to learn the language when they get there. There are people living in the U.S. who have been here for 20 or 30 years and still can't speak a word of English.
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I have to say I know a lot of people like that in Europe, particularly Yanks. One man in particular who has lived in Sweden for over 30 years still uses mostly English. He's tried, taken classes, tried only speaking Swedish at home but for whatever reason it doesn't stick.

And remember that Gertrude Stein lived in Paris for eons but never learned to speak French. It's a weird one. I'm sympathetic basically because I'm pretty crap at learning languages.
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In the past, I've tried to learn Spanish and it was rough, so I sympathize with people who have a tough time learning a new language. But I don't sympathize with people who move to another country and still won't learn the language.

The person doesn't have to speak the language fluently, but they should still have a working knowledge of it so that they can communicate with people.
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Im the minority in most of Miami. Its brutal there, you feel like a foreigner in your own country...
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