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Old September 12th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Pagan gathering causes holier-than-thou snit

Some Pa. shops close doors to Pagan festival
By RON TODT (AP) – 18 hours ago

ADAMSTOWN, Pa. — In the rolling hills of deeply religious rural Pennsylvania sits Stoudtburg Village, a tiny hamlet modeled on a German town. On weekends, tourists come here to visit shops on the ground floors of closely set three-story houses painted bright colors on pedestrian-only streets.

But this weekend, plans for a nature-worshipping group of modern pagans and witches to hold a festival in this picturesque section of Adamstown are getting a mixed reception, with some shop owners welcoming the visitors but others saying they plan to close.

"My personal feeling is that it's not something that I'd want to have anything to do with," said Jane Lesher, standing Friday amid the yarn creations of her shop The Soxy Lady, which will close Saturday. "I don't see how it's going to benefit the village, especially if it's going to leave a bad taste in the community's mouth."

The Reading Pagans and Witches booked tiny Stoudtburg, about 65 miles northwest of Philadelphia, for the "Celebrating Earth Spirituality Festival." The daylong Saturday event will feature music, prayers, storytelling and discussion. There will be games, coloring and face-painting for the kids. Vendors will offer massage, Tibetan singing bowls, stones and herbs. For a harvest rite, people will be asked to bring nonperishable food to donate to a local food bank.

Jen Anderson-Wenger, president of the five-year-old group, said organizers had merely planned a day for people of similar faiths to get together. Members do not try to convert others, she said.

"If your path leads you to a just and moral life, it is the right path for you, and who are we to tell you what that path is for you?" she said.

Shop owner deLyn Alumbaugh, chairman of the town's advertising committee, said the space is rented for $50, which covers trash removal and bathroom facilities. A pet and grooming store recently held a craft fair there, and a Rotary Club is coming for a function next month.

Alumbaugh plans to keep his store open. His deLyn's Gallery features art and jewelry, soaps and oils but also "handmade elf, faerie and witch dolls," and he got to know members of the group after advertising on their site.

"They're a very nice group of people," he said. "It's unfortunate that this has taken place."

Alumbaugh said he is concerned that the controversy will have a negative affect on the town.

"It just hurts everybody who's in business," he said. "It's a tough economy, and nobody needs argumentative notoriety or press."

There are many misconceptions about nature religions, said Selena Fox, who heads the Lady Liberty League, a support group on discrimination issues relating to practitioners of nature religions that has been advising the Reading group.

"We have nothing to do with devil worship or evil things," she said. "Contemporary paganism is rooted in the old folk traditions of Europe ... and has a lot more in common with Native American traditions in terms of respect for nature and seeking to live in harmony, not only with other humans but with the larger circle of life that we're all part of."

Still, a dozen or so Christian groups and churches are trying to organize a "wall of prayer" around the village Saturday, said James Horning, executive director of Crossfire Youth Ministries in nearby Eprhata, Pa.

"We are asking the Christians in the community to come out and make a circle around the entire facility and stand there for one hour and pray on behalf of the community, and then go home," Horning said. "No signs, no shouting, no protests, just a visible sign that we disapprove ... of the whole underlying theme."

Festival organizers have posted a note the group's Web site saying protesters may be present and asking participants to refrain from verbal or physical altercations.

"We are coming together for education and merriment (and yes, shopping!) Please help to put our best foot forward as a community," the site says. "Treat everyone as a friend and they just may turn out to be."

In town Friday, one shop had a wreath and a sign on the door that said "Proud to be an American." A note on the door says the owner would be in Washington on Saturday "actively supporting my political beliefs. And of course NOT SUPPORTING the activity taking place in the village today."

In Hertzog's Yard Sale Store, owner Terry Hertzog finished off a cup of ice cream and said he plans to close his store the next day.
"We just don't believe we can support witches and pagans," Hertzog said. "We believe in God, not in worshipping Satan or anything like that. We can't really support that, and as a result we're just going to stay closed."

"Being witches and pagans, right away that puts a red flag up," agreed his wife, Donna. "They might be wonderful people. It's just that we don't believe in that type of worship or whatever you want to call it."

Ken Carroll, Stoudtburg's project manager, said the festival has been the talk of the village for the past two weeks.

"I think everybody just wants a peaceful day tomorrow," Carroll said. "You get two groups with different beliefs coming together, and you never know."
The Associated Press: Some Pa. shops close doors to Pagan festival

Wall of hatred and bigotry more like.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 03:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bloody idiots. Pagans don't believe in Satan, therefore they cannot be Satanists. Worshipping some deity (or deities) other than the accepted version of the Christian God does not make one a Satanist, either. These narrow minded people need to open their eyes, listen to what is being said and try and practice a little Christian understanding.

Someone puts up a sign that declares them "Proud to be an American" but won't accept someone of a different belief system shopping in their store? Surely freedom of religion is part of the American way of life? And I hate to tell them this, but they have probably served practising Pagans several times without realising it. The sneaky swines must have found a way to disguise their horns and cloven hooves... Oh well, the more open minded (and business savvy) people who do choose to stay open will do much better because of their neighbours ignorance.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like fun for those not busy running every one elses life!
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Christianity: disavowing the existence of THOUSANDS of other gods in hundreds of other cultures means you're superior, but when someone disavows the existence of yours it means they must be destroyed.
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Old September 13th, 2009, 07:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Christianity: disavowing the existence of THOUSANDS of other gods in hundreds of other cultures means you're superior, but when someone disavows the existence of yours it means they must be destroyed.
I've known plenty of lovely Christians who've been respectful of the beliefs of Jewish, pagan and atheist friends. It's just a pity that there are others who appear to make a sport out of portraying the whole lot as bigots.

Live and let live. If these fools bothered to educate themselves they would discover paganism isn't "Satan worship"... but then again, I doubt they'd accept it. Some idiots won't budge from their idiocy no matter what you try or how much you teach them.
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Someone on Reddit summed it up really well in saying that some Christians worship Christianity more than they worship Christ.
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Old September 13th, 2009, 10:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Someone on Reddit summed it up really well in saying that some Christians worship Christianity more than they worship Christ.
That is the truth. Some people use it as a drug,I swear.
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Christianity: disavowing the existence of THOUSANDS of other gods in hundreds of other cultures means you're superior, but when someone disavows the existence of yours it means they must be destroyed.
That about sums it up.
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Someone on Reddit summed it up really well in saying that some Christians worship Christianity more than they worship Christ.
Thats exactly true. I'm a Christian in an interfaith marriage who refuses to vote Republican and I love to learn about all religions and cultures. I've been accused of being less "Christian" than other people often due to my voting record, my relationships, etc. I love Christ's teachings, which promoted love, mercy, empathy, and peace. Thats what I abide by and what gives me hope. If other people want to judge me for it, thats their problem, not mine. I'm pretty sure that I reap the rewards of living a life full of love - if other people want to harden their hearts with hate, then I feel nothing but pity for them.

I have no problems with this gathering whatsoever, I would love to actually be invited to learn more, I find it fascinating. These people are just deliberately ignorant of other belief systems, which is absolutely depressing in this day and age.
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Ugh, a prayer ring around the town? Get the fuck over yourselves. I hate people.
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Christianity: disavowing the existence of THOUSANDS of other gods in hundreds of other cultures means you're superior, but when someone disavows the existence of yours it means they must be destroyed.
Yup thats exactly it. And it will never change
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