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Old September 12th, 2009, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Pregnant teen banned from marrying as she's "not intelligent enough"

'You're not intelligent enough to marry', bride told



By Alison Smith Squire
Last updated at 10:19 PM on 11th September 2009 Social workers banned a young woman from her own wedding in an extraordinary row over whether she is bright enough to get married.
Kerry Robertson, who has mild learning difficulties, was told her wedding was being halted just 48 hours before she was to walk up the aisle with fiance Mark McDougall.
Miss Robertson, 17, had bought her wedding dress and the couple had booked the church ceremony, bought the rings and organised a reception to be held last Saturday.

Kerry Robertson (right), who is five months pregnant, was told she could not marry fiance Mark McDougall (left) 48 hours before their wedding

But two days before they were due to say their vows in front of 20 guests, social services told the bride-to-be that she would have to cancel the big day because she 'did not understand the implications of getting married'.
Yesterday, Miss Robertson, who is five months pregnant, said the decision was cruel.
She said: 'I am still so upset about everything. I know what marriage is. It is when two folks want to spend the rest of their lives together. I love Mark and I want to get married to him.'
Miss Robertson, of Dunfermline, Fife, has been in the care of her grandmother since she was nine months old after her parents were unable to look after her, with her welfare overseen by social workers at Fife council.
In January this year, she met Mr McDougall, a 25-year-old artist from Arbroath. When Miss Robertson became pregnant, they began making wedding plans.
Mr McDougall said their nightmare began last Thursday when two social workers arrived at the flat they have shared for the past four months.
He said: 'We were about to go out and make final arrangements for our wedding when we heard a frantic rapping at the door.
'When we opened it, two social workers burst in and told us that the marriage was illegal because Kerry has learning difficulties and did not possess the capacity to make such a decision.
'Kerry burst into tears. 'But despite arguing with the social workers that we loved one another and didn't want our baby to be born to unmarried parents, they wouldn't budge.'
Under Scottish law, a registrar may refuse to marry a couple if he believes one or both the parties lack the mental capacity to understand what the institution of marriage is about.
In a highly unusual step, the registrar at Dunfermline Register Office refused to sanction the marriage after Fife council wrote a letter of objection.
Mr McDougall claims Miss Robertson's learning difficulties are not severe. 'It's true she is not very academic,' he said. 'But she is nowhere near as stupid as social services are making out.
'She is a loving caring person. She can also read and write, although not very well, and was going to college to catch up.
'I didn't even know she had learning difficulties until we'd been dating for two months.
'At that time, social services said they were pleased we were together and seemed supportive.
'For the first time in her life Kerry was truly happy so we cannot understand what all the fuss is about.'
The couple are concerned that their unborn baby, a boy they have already named Ben, could be taken away if Fife council judges Miss Robertson unable to care for him.
She now faces a psychologist's assessment to determine if she is too unintelligent to get married.
Mr McDougall said: 'We are both going to fight this all the way. We feel the fact we want to get married should be encouraged, not forbidden.'
Helen Townsend of Fife council said: 'We cannot discuss details of individual cases for reasons of confidentiality.'

'You're not intelligent enough to marry', bride told | Mail Online



So yeah, she's stupid for getting pregnant at 17 and wanting to get married, but the guy is sticking around and they want to do "the right thing" by their child by getting married and providing a home to raise him in. TBH, her learning difficulties don't sound that bad at all, and I can't help but wonder if SS are doing this as they are planning to take the baby at birth and a single mother is easier to take a child from than a married couple, as the father has fewer rights (if any) if he has not married the mother. Wouldn't it have made more sense to provide support for them to try and ensure that the family unit could be preserved rather than pulling on their jackboots and stamping all over them?
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Old September 12th, 2009, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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^^ My first thought was that the plan is to take the baby.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If she's not smart enough to get married, then she's not smart enough to raise a baby.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If they can do this then why did they not have her on some sort of mandatory birth control?
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Old September 12th, 2009, 03:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If she's not smart enough to get married, then she's not smart enough to raise a baby.

Which is probably what SS are moving towards and why they stopped the wedding. They have government issue baby-quotas to fill...

I have serious, serious doubts about this case. I wonder if it is SS (yet again) using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and picking on a soft target. She has mild learning difficulties, but thats all they are - mild. She's not profoundly disabled, she's not incapable of caring for herself, she's attending the local community college to improve her skills and I think that with support from her partner she'll do just fine if she is given the chance.

I also wonder if she is as disadvantaged as she has been labled, in all honesty. When you are given the tag of having a learning or developmental disorder, however mild, there are so many people who automatically write you off and don't expect or push you to achieve anything and it is usually strong willed and determined parents who won't take that as the bottom line who raise children who exceed what little was expected of them. She was raised by her grandparents who may well belong to the older generation's mindset that accept an authority figure's word as final, so maybe this young lady was never encouraged or pushed to be more than an evaluation said she would be. I do believe she has the potential to be a good mother, if she is given the chance.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 04:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Is this for real? They can do that to someone?
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haven't they seen that movie with the two retards in love?
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Old September 12th, 2009, 04:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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haven't they seen that movie with the two retards in love?
It's only one tard in this case, so i'm thinking they'd be fine if they got hitched. Maybe they should just shoot off to Gretna.
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'It's true she is not very academic,' he said. 'But she is nowhere near as stupid as social services are making out.'
Wow, that's a ringing endorsement from her husband-to-be.
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There's more to this story than we are being told. If SS are concerned for the welfare of the baby then it's irrelevant whether its parents are married or not. She's still going to have it. I agree there's probably an agenda about taking the child into care and it's easier to do that if the parents aren't married. I'm guessing the background story here is pretty horrible.
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haven't they seen that movie with the two retards in love?
The one with Juliette Lewis?
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Wow, that's a ringing endorsement from her husband-to-be.
I read it more as the fiance scathingly commenting on social services deeming his fiancee to be, basically, "stupid". As in, him referring to them all but calling her stupid, not that he himself was actually calling her stupid.

This article worries me. Humanity is varied in intelligence - there are always going to be those who are below average, as well as above average. So long as they're not so severely below average that they're disabled and unable to function without help, they have as much right to marry and everything else without the authorities patronisingly "protecting" them. Discrimination on the basis of intellect is as bad as discriminating against someone for anything else that they cannot help.
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It would seem to me that marriage is far easier to understand and deal with than motherhood. Not to mention the fact that if marriage goes awry, one can get out of it; not so with motherhood. They are trying to make it seem like it's in her best interests, but if they were so concerned about her best interests, where were they when she got knocked up and moved in with a guy 8 years older than her? Since this seems like a major case of closing the barn door after the horse got out, what is the point in telling her she can't get married when she's already going to have the baby?
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Wow if they can intervene like this I'm shocked Britney got married as much as she did. Damn.
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Probably more to the story than we are being told.
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