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    It took me awhile to find this because normally I skip this section but I also adore The Beatles and John Lennon. I definitely thought of him on 12/8 and the radio stations here were playing Lennon songs all day. It was nice. I named my son after him and George Harrison and if I ever have any more sons one of their middle names will always be Lennon. Unfortunately I was born too late, I was only 3 when he died. The Beatles rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceQueen
    I am definitely not a fan of the Beatles - nor John Lennon, so I don't share the sentiment at all. Howeve, I did notice that no one pays attention to Pearl Harbor, which makes me sad considering how many people lost their lives there, and during the war. I guess it just shows that the older people are dying, and the younger don't care.
    Another date has also been forgotten: Dec. 6, 1989. On that day, Marc Lepine shot and killed 14 female engineering students at Montreal's L'Ecole Polytechique simply because they were women. Lepine was an angry loser who took out his hostility on women, deliberately targeting them.

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    You're kidding he died THAT long ago?? My bf is only 28 and he goes on as if he was there to experience his career he'd have only been 3!!
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    sorry to necro, but didn't want to start a new thread Dead Too Soon: Musicians Who Died Before Age 30 - The Y! Music Playlist Blog

    omg all of these people who "died too soon" look way older than their ages; its freaky! like Tupac was only 25?! wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    Another date has also been forgotten: Dec. 6, 1989. On that day, Marc Lepine shot and killed 14 female engineering students at Montreal's L'Ecole Polytechique simply because they were women. Lepine was an angry loser who took out his hostility on women, deliberately targeting them.
    Of course she would post this.

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    ^ lol Penny, I was thinking the same thing when I re-read this ^^^

    also got a little sad cuz my Nonno has since passed away but glad I made that call to him
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    This reminded me of an old piece by the great Lester Bangs



    Thinking the Unthinkable About John Lennon - Lester Bangs


    You always wonder how you will react to these things, but I can't say I was all that surprised when NBC broke into "The Tonight Show" to say that John Lennon was dead. I always thought that he would be the first of the Beatles to die, because he was always the one who lived the most on the existential edge, whether by diving knees-first into left-wing adventurism or by just shutting up for five years when he decided he really didn't have anything much to say; but I had always figured it would be by his own hand. That he was merely the latest celebrity to be gunned down by a probable psychotic only underscores the banality surrounding his death.

    Look: I don't think I'm insensitive or a curmudgeon. In 1965 John Lennon was one of the most important people in the world. It's just that today I feel deeply alienated from rock 'n' roll and what it has meant or could mean, alienated from my fellow men and women and their dreams or aspirations.

    I don't know what is more pathetic, the people of my generation who refuse to let their 1960s adolescence die a natural death, or the younger ones who will snatch and gobble any shred, any scrap of a dream that someone declared over ten years ago. Perhaps the younger ones are sadder, because at least my peers may have some nostalgic memory of the long-cold embers they're kneeling to blow upon, whereas the kids who have to make do with things like the Beatlemania show are being sold a bill of goods.

    I can't mourn John Lennon. I didn't know the guy. But I do know that when all is said and done, that's all he was--a guy. The refusal of his fans to ever let him just be that was finally almost as lethal as his "assassin" (and please, let's have no more talk of this being a "political" killing, and don't call him a "rock 'n' roll martyr"). Did you watch the TV specials on Tuesday night? Did you see all those people standing in the street in front of the Dakota apartment where Lennon lived singing "Hey Jude"? What do you think the real cynical, sneeringly sarcastic, witheringly witty and iconoclastic John Lennon would have said about that?

    John Lennon at his best despised cheap sentiment and had to learn the hard way that once you've made your mark on history those who can't will be so grateful they'll turn it into a cage for you. Those who choose to falsify their memories--to pine for a neverland 1960s that never really happened that way in the first place insult the retroactive Eden they enshrine.

    So in this time of gut-curdling sanctimonies about ultimate icons, I hope you will bear with my own pontifications long enough to let me say that the Beatles were certainly far more than a group of four talented musicians who might even have been the best of their generation. The Beatles were most of all a moment. But their generation was not the only generation in history, and to keep turning the gutten lantern of those dreams this way and that in hopes the flame will somehow flicker up again in the eighties is as futile a pursuit as trying to turn Lennon's lyrics into poetry. It is for that moment--not for John Lennon the man---that you are mourning, if you are mourning. Ultimately you are mourning for yourself.

    Remember that other guy, the old friend of theirs, who once said, "Don't follow leaders"? Well, he was right. But the very people who took those words and made them into banners were violating the slogan they carried. And their still doing it today. The Beatles did lead but they led with a wink. They may have been more popular than Jesus, but I don't think they wanted to be the world's religion. That would have cheapened and rendered tawdry what was special and wonderful about them. John Lennon didn't want that, or he wouldn't have retired for the last half of the seventies. What happened Monday night was only the most extreme extension of all the forces that led him to do so in the first place.

    In some of this last interviews before he died, he said, "What I realized during the five years away was that when I said the dream is over, I had made the physical break from the Beatles, but mentally there is still this big thing on my back about what people expected of me." And: "We were the hip ones of the sixties. But the world is not like the sixties. The whole world has changed." And: "Produce your own dream. It's quite possible to do anything...the unknown is what it is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions."

    Good-bye, baby, and amen.

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    ^^^
    that's a great piece. thanks for posting.
    and it's so true. i despise idol worship an tawdry sentimentality and nostalgia for past eras that reaches a point where you can't appreciate the time you live in.
    I'm open to everything. When you start to criticise the times you live in, your time is over. - Karl Lagerfeld

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