I hate these actors! If you care to see....

[kris]

[quote=Sweetie;734008]

Originally Posted by kris

Just the name alone... Shia Lebeouf? HAHAHAHA! It's a laughable, ridiculous name. Definitely not a movie star's name. And his acting isn't impressive. I mean, c'mon, Transformers?????????

Is that the best he can do?[/quote]

I think that's good enough, with $152 million in first weeks sales I think that speaks for itself.
And he's been in 31 other movies btw, some of which were pretty good.

What? You mean, Holes?

[kris]

Originally Posted by glamazon

JOAQUIN PHOENIX?!?!?!


Kris, you're BLASPHEMING!!!!! Joaquin is wonderful!!!!

Jack Nicholson and Warren Beauty are legends....man, until I see your repetoire, I'm definately going to think you're drinking the Hater-aid.

**ok, you're actually talented and have written screenplays, and you're a frustrated artist. Your list of actors is also pretty on point. I don't even consider them actors. People in films now a days are usually just window dressing for words. But Joaquin Phoenix?! Did you NOT see Gladiator?!?!!?!?! Ugh, he's so good.

But the Johnny Depp thing, them's FIGHTING WORDS!!!!! HE's A-MAY-ZING EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kris, you better be hotter than NYC in August and make me gooyier than brie in a parisian heatwave so Diss the Almighty Son, Johnny Depp!**

;P My boss and friends think I'm crazy that I like JOhnny Depp that much, but I do....Good luck, Kris! You have the chutzpah to make it in Hollywood!

First, I'm really glad that none of you are attacking me and actually TALKING to me like civil people. A big thank you, much love and respect to you all.

Now, I admit I am a bit of a hater, but more of a jealousy issue. I mean, our so-called "actors" act like freakin' pin-up boys and supermodels. Most of them don't carry themselves well in public and revel in it, like Colin Farrell, who I totally ABHOR! (Did I forget to put him on my initial list? Because he's at the top.)

Also, I will tell you all, I have only one credit to my name on imdb and that was six years ago. Actually, I've been in several uncredited roles, and have done the stand-in thing for actors, so I am paying my dues. I don't think its out of line to say that I'm just about to break through, I do meet important folks out here and seem to do well at auditions. I like to use the Nirvana metaphor, for those familiar with Kurt Cobain and his merry band of Grunge buddies. Currently I'm in the Bleach period (their first album on an indie label), but in the next two years I'll probably get into the Nevermind era (you know, the album that has "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and made Nirvana super rich and famous).

Back to Johnny Depp and Joaquin Phoenix. About Phoenix, he actually lost me with "Gladiator" with all that whining and faux-English accent. His brother, River, was a much better and skilled actor than him any day. But he redeemed himself with "Walk the Line" because I love Johnny Cash and thought he did pretty well. I was also glad he didn't win the Oscar, though he did get a Grammy. And Depp... well, he falls into this "everybody loves him, everybody wants to be him or fuck him" category that I want. LOL! Yes, I want what he has, but I don't want to be him. (THERE, I SAID IT!) Straight guys, gay guys, straight women, gay women... they all love him! And it's sickening to me.

Look, I don't hate these people... that much. I just don't get why we invest so much in these people when really, on the surface, they are boring, vapid, and clueless people. Do you ladies really think that Matthew McConaughey can hold a conversation properly without stripping off his clothes, smoke weed and play bongos? Sure, it's probably cute to you at first, but after 10 minutes I'm sure it gets old. Celebrity is a crock of shit, and unfortunately I scorn those who revel in it.

My only worry is that WHEN, not IF, I succeed, will I be just like them? A self-absorbed hypocrite. Who knows....

[HWBL]

You're listed on IMDB? Care to share? (You can PM me if you don't want to do it publicly).

*Oh, and I think Joaquin is a wonderful actor, very intense. But sometimes even good
actors can't transcend bad scripts or directorial choices. And - to again come to my
decrepit hunk Warren's defense - he is a VERY underestimated and misjudged actor.
I really believe his looks (and perhaps early personal life) got in the way of people seeing
how good an actor he really can be (Splendor In The Grass, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, The
Parallax View - yes, even Shampoo and the much misjudged Ishtar if only because for
such a fiercely intelligent person he's so extremely good at playing total dimwits!).

[kris]

Originally Posted by HWBL

You're listed on IMDB? Care to share? (You can PM me if you don't want to do it publicly).

*Oh, and I think Joaquin is a wonderful actor, very intense. But sometimes even good
actors can't transcend bad scripts or directorial choices. And - to again come to my
decrepit hunk Warren's defense - he is a VERY underestimated and misjudged actor.
I really believe his looks (and perhaps early personal life) got in the way of people seeing
how good an actor he really can be (Splendor In The Grass, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, The
Parallax View - yes, even Shampoo and the much misjudged Ishtar if only because for
such a fiercely intelligent person he's so extremely good at playing total dimwits!).

AH! It just hit me! And you touched on it with Ishtar. It's his ego that pisses me off. And yes, he's been in some good films like Bugsy (a favorite), Shampoo, Heaven Can Wait, Reds, and McCabe and Mrs. Miller. And while he does have longevity, he doesn't have consistency. Look at Clint Eastwood and the films he's done from 2003-2007, such as Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, Flags of Our Fathers, and Letters from Iwo Jima. I mean, the old man has made consistent films that have made $100+ million and scored Oscars and/or nominations. That's what I mean by being in touch with the public's interest. Warren Beatty seems to make films for himself and to please Rupert Murdoch and the conservative Right. Beatty's lucky to get a film out every 15 years!

[sweetness]

Originally Posted by kris

Hmmmm. Name is familiar, but I can't place the face. She sounds sexy, though.

She's a singer. That's her in my avatar-- it's not about her looks though, it's that voice!

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by kris

AH! It just hit me! And you touched on it with Ishtar. It's his ego that pisses me off. And yes, he's been in some good films like Bugsy (a favorite), Shampoo, Heaven Can Wait, Reds, and McCabe and Mrs. Miller. And while he does have longevity, he doesn't have consistency. Look at Clint Eastwood and the films he's done from 2003-2007, such as Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, Flags of Our Fathers, and Letters from Iwo Jima. I mean, the old man has made consistent films that have made $100+ million and scored Oscars and/or nominations. That's what I mean by being in touch with the public's interest. Warren Beatty seems to make films for himself and to please Rupert Murdoch and the conservative Right. Beatty's lucky to get a film out every 15 years!

Boy, oh boy, you keep missing the point.
The LAST thing Beatty wants to do is to please the conservative
Right. Really, just the suggestion of that is too silly for words.
It's true that Beatty is a reluctant actor. Like playwright (and a
friend of his) Robert Towne has said:

In the case of working with Warren on Shampoo, obviously there's
an effect there. I definitely take him into account when I am writing scenes
for him, because I feel that I know what he does well. I feel that Warren
always has to be tougher than he thinks. He presents a peculiar problem
as an actor because he is a man who is deeply embarrassed by acting.
Unlike Jack [Nicholson], Warren is a very talented man, but he's so
embarrassed by his acting that you have to constantly force him, one way
or another, to use himself, whereas Jack doesn't have that reluctance…
Warren has the instincts of a character actor.

Or the late director Robert Altman, anything but a friend of Beatty's:

Warren and I don’t like each other very much. I think he’s
certainly a good actor. He was great in 'McCabe.' But I wouldn’t
go through that again. It’s no fun. Warren will never do the first
take. He has to be hands-on and doesn’t trust people. He’s very
insecure and suspicious of everybody.

That doesn't mean he's a bad actor, though. The fact that he
has chosen to live a full life and not be totally dependend on
an existence "in front of the cameras" or in the media (remember
his famous quote about Madonna in "Truth or Dare"?
She doesn't want to live off-camera, much less talk. There's
nothing to say off-camera. Why would you say something if it's
off-camera? What point is there existing?)
He's always been a full rounded human being first, then an
artist (actor, director, writer, producer). He has a broad range
of interests and yes, that meant - especially as far as his
own productions were concerned - that he only made a movie
when he was good and ready to make it, which in most cases
meant that he'd done all the research and often much of the
writing, too. It's funny to see that most of his "lesser" movies,
are the ones in which he was nothing more than a hired actor.

Eastwood has grown, slowly but surely, into becoming a
significant moviemaker. But he, too, has worked his way through
mediocre movies and genres. The "Any which way but..."
movies with the Orang Utan (sp) Clyde come to mind, and
there's more of such high class drama on his resume.
But, much like Beatty, he made the more popular movies to
be able to get a base to make movies with the stories he
personally wanted to tell. Beatty, himself, is the first to acknowledge
that his contemporaries are more productive than he is (he
did so in his fantastically hilarious, self depreciating speech at
the last Golden Globes). But it's a well known and acknowledged
fact that no man works harder on a movie (own production)
than he does, because of his very detailed manner of working.

Last, the quantity of movies is not what makes a person talented
or successful. Nor are box office numbers an indication of high
standards or high quality of a movie. I mean: many blockbusters
are brainless muscle movies with loads of special effects and not
much of an intelligent, let alone plausible, story - and don't even
get me started on the level of "acting" in such movies.

Beatty's lucky to get a film out every 15 years!
^The whole point is that Beatty does not, and has never
considered that to be the definition of luck or a desired
achievement, even. His definition of luck is what he has
at home: 4 kids that he almost thought he'd never have.

[kris]

Oh, I thought it was Divine, the 60s transexual icon, or a fatter Raquel Welch. Where can I hear her music.

[kris]

Originally Posted by HWBL

Boy, oh boy, you keep missing the point.
The LAST thing Beatty wants to do is to please the conservative
Right. Really, just the suggestion of that is too silly for words.
It's true that Beatty is a reluctant actor. Like playwright (and a
friend of his) Robert Towne has said:


Or the late director Robert Altman, anything but a friend of Beatty's:


That doesn't mean he's a bad actor, though. The fact that he
has chosen to live a full life and not be totally dependend on
an existence "in front of the cameras" or in the media (remember
his famous quote about Madonna in "Truth or Dare"?
She doesn't want to live off-camera, much less talk. There's
nothing to say off-camera. Why would you say something if it's
off-camera? What point is there existing?)
He's always been a full rounded human being first, then an
artist (actor, director, writer, producer). He has a broad range
of interests and yes, that meant - especially as far as his
own productions were concerned - that he only made a movie
when he was good and ready to make it, which in most cases
meant that he'd done all the research and often much of the
writing, too. It's funny to see that most of his "lesser" movies,
are the ones in which he was nothing more than a hired actor.

Eastwood has grown, slowly but surely, into becoming a
significant moviemaker. But he, too, has worked his way through
mediocre movies and genres. The "Any which way but..."
movies with the Orang Utan (sp) Clyde come to mind, and
there's more of such high class drama on his resume.
But, much like Beatty, he made the more popular movies to
be able to get a base to make movies with the stories he
personally wanted to tell. Beatty, himself, is the first to acknowledge
that his contemporaries are more productive than he is (he
did so in his fantastically hilarious, self depreciating speech at
the last Golden Globes). But it's a well known and acknowledged
fact that no man works harder on a movie (own production)
than he does, because of his very detailed manner of working.

Last, the quantity of movies is not what makes a person talented
or successful. Nor are box office numbers an indication of high
standards or high quality of a movie. I mean: many blockbusters
are brainless muscle movies with loads of special effects and not
much of an intelligent, let alone plausible, story - and don't even
get me started on the level of "acting" in such movies.

Beatty's lucky to get a film out every 15 years!
^The whole point is that Beatty does not, and has never
considered that to be the definition of luck or a desired
achievement, even. His definition of luck is what he has
at home: 4 kids that he almost thought he'd never have.

First, my opinion of Warren Beatty is viewed from the surface. I don't know him and I'm not trying to bring him down. He could a really nice guy, or a real dick. Everything you mentioned from Truth or Dare to Robert Altman to Robert Towne I know of already - ever heard from and read in books. (Ever read Easy Riders, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind? Great book!) I have no idea who his films are for. Me, you, himself, the world, God, Satan... who cares! What I see of his films, especially those directed and/or produced by him, are massively-produced, sometimes self-indulgent, but very well-crafted pieces of film. Notice though, that I tend to knock his personality, not his films. I have read (and I'll pull out my black folder if you want me to quote what people have said about him) that in person he is somewhat cold (maybe shy?) and humorless, sexist towards women, homophobic, and still cheats on Annette Bening despite the fact that he turns 70 this year. Did you know he schtupped Halle Berry during Bulworth? It's true.

BTW, going off-topic here, Beatty has had some killer women:

Julie Christie, Jane Fonda, Carly Simon, Diana Ross, Diane Keaton, Sue Mengers, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Wood, Goldie Hawn, Melanie Griffith, Vivien Leigh, Madonna, Cher, Judy Carne, etc. The man is either a huge pig or he's got mad skills. Plus, rumor has it, a huge pecker, or a small one, depending who you ask.

Where was I? Oh, yeah. I understand you like him, and I admire his DIY skills. But judging from his appearances from 1999 Irving Thalberg award acceptance speech to the Cecil B. DeMille award at the Globes, with all his stuttering and stammering, Beatty has lost touch with the Hollywood pulse. Maybe he does film to please you and me, sometimes he succeeds and other times he flops. That's a fact. Everything else i just my opinion.

BTW, are you a man or woman. I ask this because I like you, or at least chatting with you on the social qualms I have with Hollywood. We should do this more often. This is like 84, Charing Cross Road (I'm Anthony Hopkins and you're Anne Bancroft... if you a woman, of course).

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by kris

First, my opinion of Warren Beatty is viewed from the surface. I don't know him and I'm not trying to bring him down. He could a really nice guy, or a real dick. Everything you mentioned from Truth or Dare to Robert Altman to Robert Towne I know of already - ever heard from and read in books. (Ever read Easy Riders, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind? Great book!) I have no idea who his films are for. Me, you, himself, the world, God, Satan... who cares! What I see of his films, especially those directed and/or produced by him, are massively-produced, sometimes self-indulgent, but very well-crafted pieces of film. Notice though, that I tend to knock his personality, not his films. I have read (and I'll pull out my black folder if you want me to quote what people have said about him) that in person he is somewhat cold (maybe shy?) and humorless, sexist towards women, homophobic, and still cheats on Annette Bening despite the fact that he turns 70 this year. Did you know he schtupped Halle Berry during Bulworth? It's true.

BTW, going off-topic here, Beatty has had some killer women:

Julie Christie, Jane Fonda, Carly Simon, Diana Ross, Diane Keaton, Sue Mengers, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Wood, Goldie Hawn, Melanie Griffith, Vivien Leigh, Madonna, Cher, Judy Carne, etc. The man is either a huge pig or he's got mad skills. Plus, rumor has it, a huge pecker, or a small one, depending who you ask.

Where was I? Oh, yeah. I understand you like him, and I admire his DIY skills. But judging from his appearances from 1999 Irving Thalberg award acceptance speech to the Cecil B. DeMille award at the Globes, with all his stuttering and stammering, Beatty has lost touch with the Hollywood pulse. Maybe he does film to please you and me, sometimes he succeeds and other times he flops. That's a fact. Everything else i just my opinion.

BTW, are you a man or woman. I ask this because I like you, or at least chatting with you on the social qualms I have with Hollywood. We should do this more often. This is like 84, Charing Cross Road (I'm Anthony Hopkins and you're Anne Bancroft... if you a woman, of course).

Lol, I'm an old woman, well, compared to you BTW: I can only
guess where you get your info from but from your list of his
"romantic conquests" several are only platonic friendships.
Beatty is still - whether you younger gen peeps like it or not -
considered a major force in Hollywood, despite his lack of productiveness.
There's so much he does under the radar, behind the scenes.
As for his personality, here's three quotes from people who should
know: his sis Shirley, his long time lover Julie Christie and his
long time friend Dustin Hoffman:

"I saw him more as a reader. I saw him more shy. I think it
might be -- I don't know -- hard for him to give vent to these
emotions. But boy, when he does, he really does. I mean, I
thought he was so brilliant in 'Bugsy'."
Shirley MacLaine on little brother Warren Beatty,
the actor.

"Everybody claims they know Warren so well, but they don't.
He's painfully shy."
"I think his greatest achievement is his fantastic wife and his
four beautiful children, we talk often and I'm very fond of him,
he is one of my oldest and dearest friends."
Julie Christie

"He has this reputation with women, but I have never met
anyone who blushes as much as Warren. He is so shy, the
opposite of his public image. I just love the guy."
Dustin Hoffman about his friend Warren Beatty (before
his marriage to Annette).

And just two more, for the sake of character reference and
your assumption about his homophobia.

"He is not a talker. You can tell him your deepest,
darkest secrets, and you can be well sure that he will
take that with him. Now, maybe he loved too many
women in his early days.
But it wasn't all about sexuality. It was about his tenderness.
Warren by nature is a caretaker. Yes, he's maddening. Yes,
he's stubborn. But the bottom line is the nature of that
animal is good. His intentions are pure. I was never one of
his girls. I didn't want that caption. Maybe I loved him too
much. Warren really, really is the brother I never had."
Goldie Hawn about how she sees Beatty and what
she feels for him.


"One night Richard Harris - who was very feisty in his
younger days - got into the elevator with us. He was right
behind Warren and was drunk and hostile and daring Warren
to turn around, 'That bastard!'. Warren finally turned
around and kissed him on the mouth. And Harris was so
shocked, when we hit the lobby he said 'So what are
you doing?' And Warren said 'I'm going for coffee.'
And Harris said 'Let's go!' Warren is brilliant at defusing
a situation like that."
Robert Benton (co-writer of Bonnie&Clyde) about
Warren's encounter with a drunk Richard Harris.

You DO know that he had several homosexual mentors
in his early days? He always treated them with respect
and friendship, although it was obvious that was all
they could expect from him (Tennessee Williams knew
he wouldn't take his offer to do "everything" to get
the role in "Roman Spring..." to the limit, so he let him
off the hook, easily ).

Oh, Beatty's also a life long stutterer. He's had a few
years of speech and diction therapy to help cure that,
obviously without much result.
That's it. I'm not going to "defend" Warren anymore,
as he doesn't need it.
I had fun talking to you, too, and who knows, maybe
you will succeed and break through the way you envision!

[kris]

Oh, I will. And thanks.

Also, as far as the Tennessee Williams story about Beatty disrobing for him to get the part in Roman Spring, I know that one, too. And Williams told him he already had the part and to just go to bed. LOL!

As far as Beatty kissing Richard Harris? UH UH! I don't believe it. It's out of character for someone who is supposedly "shy." And knowing Richard Harris to be a crazy drunken Irishman, I don't think Beatty would have survived long enough to reach the lobby.

And if you mean Goldie Hawn, Diane Keaton and Melanie Griffith as his platonic friendships? Think again. Beatty and Hawn had a thing during Shampoo (while he was with Christie) and hooked up again in that horrible film nobody saw... oh, what was it called!!!! The one with Garry Shandling. That's why there were reports that she and Kurt Russell were going to divorce. Diane Keaton he had during the making of Reds, so did Jack Nicholson. And Melanie Griffith was post-Don Johnson (part 2)/pre-Antonio Banderas.

[kris]

Also, did you know that Catherine Zeta-Jones cheated on Michael Douglas with George Clooney during Ocean's Twelve, and that her second child Carys is fathered by Clooney. It's actually a deep, dark secret in Hollywood. Also, Zeta-Jones fancied your boy Beatty, but I doubt he got far with her. Merely a peck on the cheek at the Oscars.

Ooooo! I could be a gossip columnist!

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by kris

Oh, I will. And thanks.

Also, as far as the Tennessee Williams story about Beatty disrobing for him to get the part in Roman Spring, I know that one, too. And Williams told him he already had the part and to just go to bed. LOL!

As far as Beatty kissing Richard Harris? UH UH! I don't believe it. It's out of character for someone who is supposedly "shy." And knowing Richard Harris to be a crazy drunken Irishman, I don't think Beatty would have survived long enough to reach the lobby.

And if you mean Goldie Hawn, Diane Keaton and Melanie Griffith as his platonic friendships? Think again. Beatty and Hawn had a thing during Shampoo (while he was with Christie) and hooked up again in that horrible film nobody saw... oh, what was it called!!!! The one with Garry Shandling. That's why there were reports that she and Kurt Russell were going to divorce. Diane Keaton he had during the making of Reds, so did Jack Nicholson. And Melanie Griffith was post-Don Johnson (part 2)/pre-Antonio Banderas.

Re: the Richard Harris incident> I take it you were there in person?

Re: his relationships> give it up, kid. You're wrong. The only one
of the ones you mentioned that he was romantically involved with
for years are Keaton and Christie.
Griffith was a fling of a few weeks. Hawn was and is only a friend.
Many of his contacts with women, contrary to urban mythology,
did NOT involve sex. Period.

[doriangray]

Originally Posted by kris

Just the name alone... Shia Lebeouf? HAHAHAHA! It's a laughable, ridiculous name. Definitely not a movie star's name. And his acting isn't impressive. I mean, c'mon, Transformers?????????

Is that the best he can do?

that's his name. his parents gave it to him. i think it's quite beautiful personally. mind you i like original names. he's great in disturbia. transformers was for kids but he made it fun. is that the best he can do? he's 21. starting out. already has a pretty good resume. what are you up to? i find your reasoning ridiculous and yep, jealous, bitter fattie. another thing. i read your "i know everything about who's gay...just ask" thread where you copied and pasted from the a-list. sorta sad.

[olivia720]

I agree that River Phoenix was extraordinarily gifted. God rest his precious soul. He just was such a bright light that faded so fast.

I think Joaquin is great too, love his intensity.

I think most women would agree with you that matthew mconegahy (however the f you spell his name) is a weed loving hippie and not hot (at least on this board). I don't find him attractive in the least. And his arms are strangely short.

The mainstream has been shoving him down our throats as this guy everyone drools over, and i know very few people who think is anything other than that guy addicted to being photographed shirtless.

[kris]

Originally Posted by HWBL

Re: the Richard Harris incident> I take it you were there in person?

Re: his relationships> give it up, kid. You're wrong. The only one
of the ones you mentioned that he was romantically involved with
for years are Keaton and Christie.
Griffith was a fling of a few weeks. Hawn was and is only a friend.
Many of his contacts with women, contrary to urban mythology,
did NOT involve sex. Period.

Okay, about Hawn, I'll ask you the same question. Were you there?