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Thread: Nominations for Douchebag of the Year 2010

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    Elite Member Sojiita's Avatar
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    Whenever I come across communities like this St. Albert(and we have plenty of them around here*) I wish I was rich and could then buy property and establish some kind of group housing for underprivileged inner city children or something just to piss them off...

    Reminds me of in the movie Mame...

    When she calls the Upsons 'Aryans from Darien" and then purchases the property adjacent to them to establish a home for poor Jewish children.

    St. Albert just needs a good ole' run-of-the-mill TRAILER PARK to set them straight.

    * some rich bitch in a community called Worthington Hills just recently expressed some similar comments about 'their paying for and deserving XYZ, etc". because the country club was thinking of putting in a cell phone tower disguised as a big pine tree, and she did not like it. She just dripped with that odious wretched disdain that the wealthy can have for anything they deem 'beneath them' or that might 'diminish their exalted status'. Ugh.
    Don't slap me, cause I'm not in the mood!

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    Nomination Number 4

    The state of Oregon (I think Alice might agree with this one)


    A Canadian mother says her Canadian son should be with her, not in the Oregon foster care system

    Lisa Kirkman said she will do anything to get her 11-year-old son back.

    "I'll dance with a chicken on my head if I have to," the Calgary, Alberta, resident said.

    That's probably not what Lane County Juvenile Court Judge Kip Leonard, or anyone else involved in this strange and complicated international child custody case, has in mind, however.

    Nonetheless, Kirkman, 34, is making increasingly public and dramatic efforts to retrieve her son, Noah, a Canadian citizen who has been living in Lane County foster homes for the past 1 1/2 years under supervision of the state Department of Human Services.

    Kirkman said she came to Lane County from Canada on a visit in the summer of 2008 and left Noah in Oakridge with the boy's stepfather -- Kirkman's husband -- for a vacation. John Kirkman is not the boy's biological father or legal guardian but is "the only father Noah has ever known," Lisa Kirkman said.

    Oakridge police kept spotting Noah, then 10, on the streets that summer -- trespassing at the city's industrial park, sitting alone on a fence that had been knocked down, riding his bicycle without a helmet -- and drove him home a couple of times, police chief Luis Gomez said. Seeing a pattern, police referred at least two incidents to the DHS, Gomez said. And DHS took custody of the child.

    Since then, Noah, who turns 12 in March, has remained in Lane County, bouncing from one school and state-paid foster family to another, his mother said. All that time, she has pleaded with DHS to return him to her in Calgary. DHS has refused, saying it hopes to hand him back eventually but that Kirkman is unfit as a mother.

    In the murky world where international child law intersects with Oregon family law, Noah's case has attracted a myriad of state and federal agencies and officials.

    Judge Leonard, who like many contacted for this story declined to comment, told Lisa Kirkman that she had abandoned her son in Oregon, she said. Now, DHS and Leonard say they will not return Noah to her until they're convinced that she is a responsible mother.

    Juvenile Court records are secret. But Kirkman, seeking to publicize her case, provided numerous court and DHS records to The Register-Guard and other media.

    The case is in Leonard's court where, according to Kirkman, DHS and the judge are trying to decide whether to return Noah to Canada or keep him in Oregon, give him U.S. citizenship and put him up for adoption.

    According to court records, Oregon officials have told Kirkman she must comply with several conditions before they return her son. These include receiving therapy for borderline personality disorder, undergoing parent training, establishing a safe home in Canada for her son, and living a drug-free life.

    That last directive is not easy for a marijuana advocate living in a nation with different marijuana laws from Oregon's. Kirkman is a marijuana activist and freelance marijuana--oriented writer. A half-dozen years ago she ran a medical marijuana dispensary, the Sunshine Coast Compassion Society Club, in British Columbia, where she said was convicted in 2003 for growing pot. That crackdown came after her club was profiled in The Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper.

    Kirkman's interest in pot stems from her husband's battle with myalgic encephalomyelitis, a neurological disease, she said. Kirkman is seeking a medical marijuana card in Canada for her own arthritis, she said.

    Noah, born in Calgary in 1996, has been under the jurisdiction of the DHS since the fall of 2008 and now lives with a foster family in Springfield and is in middle school, according to records.

    Kirkman said she was living in Montreal in the spring of 2008 with Noah and her daughter, Mia, now 7, and was planning to move back to her hometown of Calgary because she thought it would have better services for Noah, who has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, a neuro-behavioral disorder. She and her children briefly visited Oakridge, where John Kirkman, Mia's biological father, had moved. Lisa Kirkman and her daughter then returned to Canada, but Noah stayed for the summer, she said.

    After DHS ran a check on Noah, they found that he had a file with child welfare agencies in Canada, she said.

    "He has a huge file because he has special needs," she said. "They decided to take Noah first and ask questions later."

    DHS called her in the late summer of 2008, Kirkman said. The agency said her husband was not supervising the child properly, she said. Kirkman came back to Oregon in September that year and was at her husband's home in Oakridge when two DHS workers from the Springfield office came to the door, saying they had to take Noah, she said.

    Noah was "extremely upset," Lisa Kirkman said. "He was confused at first. We were all crying. It was very upsetting. He was just holding me and hugging me and saying he didn't want to go.

    "They said it would only be a few days," Kirkman said.

    Fans on Facebook

    Frustrated at her inability to secure Noah's return, Kirkman in recent months has tried to rally politicians and the public to her cause. She has created a Facebook page called "Return Noah Kirkman to Canada NOW!" that has more than 1,300 members. She has contacted Gov. Ted Kulongoski's office, as well as the offices of U.S. Sens. Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden.

    When The Register--Guard contacted DHS about Kirkman, the agency quickly sent an alert to Lane County's legislative delegation in Salem, saying a news story was imminent and that DHS was doing its best to return Noah to Canada.

    At a Jan. 7 court hearing, Leonard told Kirkman that he was setting a 90-day deadline for resolving the case, she said. If it wasn't resolved, Leonard said Noah's Canadian citizenship will be stripped and he would be put up for adoption, she said.

    Abandonment at Crux

    How can Oregon keep a Canadian child against his mother's will?

    "I don't think it matters where the person's from," said Raquel Hecht, a Eugene immigration attorney. Hecht likens the case to a situation in which a Canadian citizen commits a crime in Lane County. They would be held accountable here by a court, she said.

    "I can't think of anything offhand that requires them to deport him ( back ) to Canada," Hecht said. "They can make him a legal resident because the court has jurisdiction over him."

    Hecht said an Oregon court can grant "special immigrant juvenile status" if it finds it's in the child's best interest to stay in the United States. The court must find the parent is unfit or has abandoned the child, she said.

    Kirkman, who is allowed to speak to her son weekly during supervised phone conversations, said Noah wants to return to Canada. But his caseworker writes in the court documents Kirkman provided that Noah wishes to stay with his Springfield foster family. Kirkman says her son lives there with three older foster boys. She has not seen Noah since July. Because of her felony pot conviction in Canada, she is no longer allowed to cross the U.S. border, she said.

    The DHS caseworker, Christine Jolin, writes in the court documents that Noah had been in foster care several times in British Columbia.

    "Noah had previously been diagnosed with ODD and OCD while in Canada," Jolin wrote, referring to oppositional defiant disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder. Court records show that Noah was at Oakridge Elementary School in the fall of 2008, then transferred to Jasper Mountain School, for abused and emotionally disturbed children, that November. He is now in a middle school getting mostly A's, Jolin wrote.

    Kirkman said she doesn't believe Noah doesn't want to come home to her.

    "He's said to me several times that he wants to come home," Kirkman said. "Even if he didn't want to come home, since when does an 11-year-old get to decide what country he gets to live in?"

    Court-appointed attorneys in the case for Lisa Kirkman, and for Noah on behalf of DHS, declined comment.

    One option that has been discussed is allowing Noah to return to Canada to live with his grandparents, Lisa Kirkman's mother and father, in Calgary. Another possibility is placing him in foster care in Calgary.

    "The Right of the Child"

    On Dec. 1, Kirkman's mother, Phyllis Heltay, visited the Springfield DHS office to meet Noah, Jolin and Noah's psychologist, according to records. After returning to Canada, Heltay on Dec. 7 e-mailed DHS: "It is the right of the child to be with us -- which MUST be better than being in foster care in a foreign country, removed from all family and his own country."

    DHS contracted with a Calgary agency called Adoption by Choice, or ABC, to perform a "kinship home study" of the Heltays' home, according to records. But the Kirkman family and the Heltays contacted ABC and made threats toward the agency, causing it to cancel the home study, records say.

    Last spring, Leonard ordered Lisa Kirkman to undergo a psychological evaluation. She saw a Calgary psychologist who recommended that she undergo dialectic behavioral therapy, or DBT, to treat borderline personality disorder. Court records say Kirkman has not done that. Kirkman said it would cost $200 an hour and must be undergone for a year, which would cost $20,000. DHS offered to pay for half, she said. But she cannot afford $10,000, either, she said.

    Kirkman was told the treatment would be free in Oregon through the DHS if she was able to be paroled into the United States, but she said she has no desire to live in Oregon and finding work here without being a U.S. citizen would be difficult.

    Other conditions for Noah's return to her listed in court documents include Kirkman demonstrating impulse control, responsibility and a plan to protect her son. The records say Kirkman has "diminished capacities" and a "history of not protecting him."

    Lisa Matsella, the Calgary psychologist Kirkman saw, provided a report to DHS last fall that said that although Kirkman tests well, "she has difficulties empathizing with others, and is very egocentric in her choices that can result in hurt and instability for others in her life."

    "I'm not a perfect parent. No one is," Kirkman said. "But no matter what I've done, I don't know how they can justify taking my child."

    She sent her son, "Noah" to visit his stepfather in Oakridge. But when Noah was stopped in September 2008, for riding a bike without a helmet, Oregon authorities took notice. Noah's stepfather was not his legal guardian.
    "The reason he (Noah) was taken away is that authorities called me negligent because I sent him to a person who technically doesn't have parental authority, " said Kirkman, Noah's biological mother." Source

    Better seize all kids visiting friends, grandparents or staying with a sitter then.

    As Canadian as possible under the circumstances


    "What's traitors, precious?" -- President Gollum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Of course they're in Alberta, the texas of Canada. Big hair, cattle, oil, money, bibles and douchiness.

    Uh.....excuse me? Shows how little you know about Texas.

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    Default Douchebags number 1

    I'm a Canadian. And I am sorry to admit that this couple's attitude is commonly held. Most people won't go as far to admit it. But go anywhere 'wealthy' people congregate & bring up the subeject of low income housing guaranteed 100% will agree with those thoughts (of douchebags). A few will speak out and the rest will nod & agree. I've seen it myself several times when I was in university, where the majority of the students were from a wealthy unpbringing. I was one of the few who had to work & rely on student loans to go. And I was treated as an outsider as well, not to mention that I am not white..........thinking about it angers me!

    On the same subject, I have friends who are 'weathly' and non white who bought a million dollar home in an upscale neighborhood. When the neighbors found out who was buying it, they tried to stop the sale.....unfortunately for them money talks. Especially when the person does not need a huge mortgage to live there and buys without a mortgage.LOL. Long story short they still live there and the neighbors still hate them & try to find ways to start trouble by phoning the police for every little complaint....noise , lawn, etc. The police never charge them with anything.
    My goal is to be happy with my life.

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