Warren Beatty's daughter Kathlyn plans sex change to become Stephen

**Syd** · June 17th, 2010, 03:16 PM

She is too damn young to make this kind of decision.

**sluce** · June 17th, 2010, 03:32 PM

HWBL - I agree with all you stated.

**Bellatheball** · June 17th, 2010, 03:40 PM

^ I do too. I just used less words.

**badgers!** · June 17th, 2010, 03:47 PM

This was part of what made me leave pukeface piggy Perez's site forever. Whoever that blind was about obviously had a lot of difficult issues to work through. It's hard enough being a "normal" teenager so I can't imagine being that young and dealing with gender identity issues on top of everything else. Fuck Perez.

**Fly_On_TheWall** · June 17th, 2010, 04:11 PM

I agree too. If my child were to tell me something like that, I'd be devastated for a while too. And probably blame myself. But I'd never stop loving my child, or turn my back on him. And I would come to terms with it in time.
I'm sure Warren and Annette are handling it well.
It is a shame that the media is picking up on this. Leave them alone and let them deal with this in private.

**olivia** · June 17th, 2010, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by JadeStar70

So Chastity first came out as a lesbian, because she, at the time, liked to be with women. But then she felt she was truely a man inside, so she had the reassignment surgery to become a man. Now Chaz is dating women, and he is actually living a hetro-sexual lifestyle as a man that enjoys being with women? So he would be considered a hetro male?

I sure hope I phrased the questions appriopriately. I have always been curious on others and the lifestyles they live.

So am I! I've know 2 people who lived the alternative gender lifestyle, and one fully operated on male to female transsexual.

The full transsexual still lived with his wife and I'm *guessing* still had sex with her. So I figure he is now a lesbian. BTW, he became a very beautiful, large framed, woman.

One woman I used to work with lived entirely as a man. She was born a man with a woman's body, that's all there is to it. It was a valuable person to know, since it was so clear that she was NOT female in any sense of the word except her genitals. She had a story about her parents forcing her into a dress when she was 3 for a family wedding, and she tore it off herself during the ceremony. She lived with her wife and her wife's kids from a previous marriage. She played sports with her son, taught him carpentry and how to drive, pretty much your typical dad. I wouldn't call her gay, myself. Most people thought she was a guy (it may have helped that she was from Taiwan and was a body builder.)

The other was a man who lived entirely as a woman. I don't think he wanted surgery. He was happy as he was, though he dressed as a woman and introduced himself as such. He claimed to like sleeping with both men and women. I guess he was bisexual.

It's all fascinating isn't it! I wish it was easier to ask questions without being rude.

**Sojiita** · June 17th, 2010, 04:22 PM

They need to get the fuck over it. They have three other children..what is the problem?

And about them being 'crushed' over something happening to their child that could possibly 'cause harm' to their child, being bashed, suffering discrimination, etc. , that is like a child getting cancer(not saying gay or bi or trans is bad, like cancer, just the first thing to come to mind), and the parent getting upset with the child. The child is not choosing to be gay or transgender-they ARE gay or transgender. No choice in the matter. It just is.It happens to them.

If anything I would hope that in this day and age they would rush to their child's defense and support. This is NOT a choice, it must be very difficult for their daughter(soon to be son), and they need to stop being selfish and support their child when they need it the most.

rant over.

* I agree though with the part about leaving the kids of celebs alone-those who are not celebs themselves, are not breaking laws, bringing themselves into the spotlight...this is like 'outing someone' with no good reason. Unless they make it a public thing, leave them the hell alone, and someone who brings this 'out' to the public for no good reason like Perez is a scum.

**HWBL** · June 17th, 2010, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by fgg

i couldn't find many pics, just variations on the below (supposedly age 16):

She was 12 in this pic.

**HWBL** · June 17th, 2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sojiita

They need to get the fuck over it. They have three other children..what is the problem?

And about them being 'crushed' over something happening to their child that could possibly 'cause harm' to their child, being bashed, suffering discrimination, etc. , that is like a child getting cancer(not saying gay or bi or trans is bad, like cancer, just the first thing to come to mind), and the parent getting upset with the child. The child is not choosing to be gay or transgender-they ARE gay or transgender. No choice in the matter. It just is.It happens to them.

If anything I would hope that in this day and age they would rush to their child's defense and support. This is NOT a choice, it must be very difficult for their daughter(soon to be son), and they need to stop being selfish and support their child when they need it the most.

rant over.

Sorry to disagree, but what kind of a dumb statement is "They have three
other children..what is the problem?" ?
Like when one child should die, you shouldn't grieve because you still have
more left?

I don't think anybody, certainly not me, stated that being transgender
is a choice. However, the fact that a child is born that way doesn't
make it easier for a parent to just take as an "Oh, well, shucks"
moment for the mere reasons I stated in my other LOOOOOONG post.
No parent, no good parent, wants to see any possible source for
suffering (be it illness, accidents, mistreatment, discrimination or any
other negative) in their children's lives. Of course everybody has to
experience negative things, that IS life, but it's inherent to being a
parent that you want smooth sailing for your children.
You can't fight that feeling, even if your brain tells you it's inevitable.

**Chalet** · June 17th, 2010, 04:41 PM

Usually I believe the story itself but I never believe in what the sources have to say especially when they discuss how the people feel and what they think. That's all made up bullshit.

They seem like a close and loving family and my money is on them to help and support. Heck, I'd be the first to call Cher and talk about it. Warren and Cher go way back.

Way, way back. Aside from that, WB is so super private, he'll do whatever to protect his family.

**JadeStar70** · June 17th, 2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by olivia

So am I! I've know 2 people who lived the alternative gender lifestyle, and one fully operated on male to female transsexual.

The full transsexual still lived with his wife and I'm *guessing* still had sex with her. So I figure he is now a lesbian. BTW, he became a very beautiful, large framed, woman.

One woman I used to work with lived entirely as a man. She was born a man with a woman's body, that's all there is to it. It was a valuable person to know, since it was so clear that she was NOT female in any sense of the word except her genitals. She had a story about her parents forcing her into a dress when she was 3 for a family wedding, and she tore it off herself during the ceremony. She lived with her wife and her wife's kids from a previous marriage. She played sports with her son, taught him carpentry and how to drive, pretty much your typical dad. I wouldn't call her gay, myself. Most people thought she was a guy (it may have helped that she was from Taiwan and was a body builder.)

The other was a man who lived entirely as a woman. I don't think he wanted surgery. He was happy as he was, though he dressed as a woman and introduced himself as such. He claimed to like sleeping with both men and women. I guess he was bisexual.

It's all fascinating isn't it! I wish it was easier to ask questions without being rude.

Thanks for the response. I ended up deleting my original post,...figured I might have over stepped. It is hard to become educated on things that you have never seen, lived or were never taught growing up. Some areas of the US are very lacking on new things, people and ideas. It is hard explaining that to people, without being jumped on as a racist, sexist or gender basher. A lot of times it is lack of education and knowledge. And it is hard to achieve that without understanding and answers from others.

**Sarzy** · June 17th, 2010, 04:49 PM

They can be 'devastated' and supportive at the same time. I can imagine it wouldn't be easy finding out your child is going to have a sex change. But it doesn't mean you won't be supportive.

**Sojiita** · June 17th, 2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by HWBL

Sorry to disagree, but what kind of a dumb statement is "They have three
other children..what is the problem?" ?
Like when one child should die, you shouldn't grieve because you still have
more left?

I don't think anybody, certainly not me, stated that being transgender
is a choice. However, the fact that a child is born that way doesn't
make it easier for a parent to just take as an "Oh, well, shucks"
moment for the mere reasons I stated in my other LOOOOOONG post.
No parent, no good parent, wants to see any possible source for
suffering (be it illness, accidents, mistreatment, discrimination or any
other negative) in their children's lives. Of course everybody has to
experience negative things, that IS life, but it's inherent to being a
parent that you want smooth sailing for your children.
You can't fight that feeling, even if your brain tells you it's inevitable.

I will ignore the personal insult part. Wanting 'smooth sailing' for your child means putting your own feelings of misplaced(IMO) grief aside and put that energy into supporting your child.

Originally Posted by Sarzy

They can be 'devastated' and supportive at the same time. I can imagine it wouldn't be easy finding out your child is going to have a sex change. But it doesn't mean you won't be supportive.

I can understand this. I do have a problem with people who are just so 'devastated' when their child turns out to be gay or trans or something. It is saying indirectly to the child that their parents think that something is wrong with them-it is hard to feel 'supported' when you also feel that you are being judged and basically 'mourned' over. Been there, done that. What are you telling your child when you are 'grieving' over them simply being gay or trans? I think alot of parents have (misplace again IMO) feelings about what their children 'are' and 'should be' and this leads to problems down the road.

I was the one my parents had 'picked' to be the jock, the football player, the one they dressed up in OSU gear even when I was a toddler. And when I started to not turn out like they had wanted(both psychologically and physically), They could not contain their disappointment and I knew it and it flared up and continued through my entire childhood/adolescence. It really hurt me, and it never had to happen.

**HWBL** · June 17th, 2010, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sojiita

I will ignore the personal insult part. Wanting 'smooth sailing' for your child means putting your own feelings of misplaced(IMO) grief aside and put that energy into supporting your child.

I will ignore the fact you thought that was a personal insult. It was
general common sense.
As far as your definition of wanting smooth sailing for your kid, that
reads like from the kid's perspective to me, which is understandable.
All children want, and should be able to expect, their parents to
be there for them and vice versa. Unconditional love and caring
goes both ways, or it should, anyway.
From a parent's perspective I don't think the concern and grief are
misplaced at all. And it doesn't say anywhere, not in my personal
opinion, nor in the piece about the Beatty's that they aren't supportive.
Like somebody else said: you can be devastated and supportive at
the same time.

**Sojiita** · June 17th, 2010, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by HWBL

I will ignore the fact you thought that was a personal insult. It was
general common sense.
As far as your definition of wanting smooth sailing for your kid, that
reads like from the kid's perspective to me, which is understandable.
All children want, and should be able to expect, their parents to
be their for them and vice versa. Unconditional love and caring
goes both ways, or it should, anyway.
From a parent's perspective I don't think the concern and grief are
misplaced at all. And it doesn't say anywhere, not in my personal
opinion, nor in the piece about the Beatty's that they aren't supportive.
Like somebody else said: you can be devastated and supportive at
the same time.

I will ignore the fact that you are in denial about your personal insult!!

And I guess alot of this is just about what 'parental devastation' is, how it is defined, and how it is expressed. I think we may have different ideas about that going on here.

I can't use the word 'devastation' now without thinking about that ass Kanye. Thanks alot, Kanye.

* I think we both want the best for the parents and the child, and have some common ground on the paps exploiting this, at least. And you are right-I see this very much from the child perspective, having been there myself, and no I have not been in the parent situation. Have you been in either situation? I think it does 'color' ones view of things.