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Reply With QuoteHe didn't use the "head injury" excuse at the time ... um, because who wants a politician who can't think straight?
So I'm really not sure why the "diving in 7 times in spite of a head injury" story is becoming so plausible now ...
Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja
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He didn't use the "head injury" excuse at the time ... um, because who wants a politician who can't think straight?
So I'm really not sure why the "diving in 7 times in spite of a head injury" story is becoming so plausible now ...
Doctors confirmed that it is entirely possible that he didn't call authorities due to his head injuries. That sort of thing happens all the time.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
^ I'm talking about the diving. So many things don't add up. Or didn't happen as stated.
He talked to him the next morning, maybe even the night of the accident. From Sen. Kennedy's speech about the accident:
In the morning, with my mind somewhat more lucid, I made an effort to call a family legal advisor, Burke Marshall, from a public telephone on the Chappaquiddick side of the ferry and belatedly reported the accident to the Martha's Vineyard police.
American Rhetoric: Ted Kennedy -- Chappaquiddick SpeechI don't know if anyone knows what her purse looked like- I was just saying- she was drunk, didn't usually drink, and supposedly feeling ill. I'm picturing a party scene of young professional woman- they probably all had similar purses, and maybe even put them all in the same place during the party. She could have easily picked up the wrong purse.
Another article:
But the pair's departure caused hardly a ripple. Kopechne told no one she was ill, or that she was leaving, her friends said. She left behind her purse and the key to her hotel room.
Chapter 3: Chappaquiddick - The Boston GlobeThat's another thing- where did the 9 hours come from? From what I've read, her body was found around 7AM, and Kennedy was at his hotel by 2AM. So that's 5 hours.
Wrong again. He did mention his injury in his speech about the accident in 1969:
'Although my doctors informed me that I suffered a cerebral concussion, as well as shock, I do not seek to escape responsibility for my actions by placing the blame either on the physical and emotional trauma brought on by the accident, or on anyone else. I regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to the police immediately.'
American Rhetoric: Ted Kennedy -- Chappaquiddick Speech
There are a lot of discrepancies,and sadly, we'll most likely never knoe what really happened that night, or what was going through their minds.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
So waiting 5 hours to report a fatal accident is more acceptable than waiting 9 hours?
I can't be in this thread anymore.. too many excuses are being made.
Yes, great politician, much progress was made at his hands. But don't make the events that transpired into an overhyped cakewalk.
That comes from his own statements. She was found before he reported it. :
At 10 am Kennedy entered the police station in Edgartown, made a couple of phone calls, then dictated a statement to his aide Paul Markham, which was then given to the police. The statement ran as follows:
“On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 p.m. in Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary [Kopechne],[17] a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the backseat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period and then going back to my hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately contacted the police.[18]
Based on that, it was even longer than 9 hours.
And I would add that I never trust speeches, pre-written and pre-thought out scripts for public consumption aren't usually accurate.
All of God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
Also, from the FBI report, the Police Chief's statements seem to support the third-person version:
ANOMALY A (p. 5)
Mr. Kennedy said no one else was in the car with him but Miss Kopechne. Note the following excerpted testimony of Police Chief Arena (The Inquest, p. 85).
(Mr. Arena was describing a telephone conversation with the Senator, who was at Police Headquarters, the Chief having telephoned from the Malm house after left the Dike Bridge Saturday morning after the recovery of Miss Kopechne's body.)
THE CHIEF: ...I said words to the effect that "I am sorry, I have some bad news. Your car was in an accident over here and the young lady is dead." He said, "I know."
I said, "Can you tell me was there anybody else in the car?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are they in the water?"
He said, "No."
Since no one else heard both sides of the conversation, Mr. Kennedy's battalion of advisors could accuse Chief Arena of falsifying--one word against another--or they might even railroad him into that federal mental hospital-prison in Springfield, Missouri, if Mr. Arena insisted on his version. On the other hand, they could offer the explanation that what the Senator had really meant was, "Yes, I can tell you if there was anybody else in the car. No there wasn't." If the reader wishes to believe this, however read on, read on, read on and on and on... and ponder on Anomaly C.
I have a question. How do you all feel about Christopher Walken's involvement (or any of the others that were on the boat) in Natalie Wood's death? Are they murderers too?
The truth is, we'll never know what went down in Chappaquiddick. The 2 people that know for sure are dead. It's a free country, you are welcome to hate the Kennedy's, people with money, privilege of the powerful, whatever. Like Diva said, it's in God's jurisdiction now.
If we go through history and judge people based on everything they did in their private lives, then I daresay you would not find one person worth a shit. Everyone has some bad stuff in the closet...*everyone*. Everyone lacks judgement at times, makes piss poor decisions, and hurts other people. You can view the world that way, but I think that's a depressing way to see things and ultimately of little use. There is some way to reconcile the very human falibilities we all are subject to without allowing them to overshadow the incredibly good acts. I'm not saying turn a blind eye to drunk driving, or wife beating, or slave trading, or any matter of dark facts that pervade human history. Look at the big picture. Look at Sen. Kennedy's voting record and imagine where our country would be without the bills he successfully championed and helped push through. Maybe his professional victories in the Senate and desire to make such a positive impact on American lives was somehow fueled in a small way by a desire to make penance for his very human failures at Chappaquiddick.
I'll bite....I've always felt Robert Wagner was involved in her death.
All of God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
Are any of the others who were there that night still living? It would be great if they would now come forward and speak the truth. Then agin, there would still people who do not believe them.
You don't engage with crazies. Because they're, you know, fucking crazy. - WitchCurlGirl
My theory was that Walken thought he was the Antichrist and was in a vendetta kind of mood that night.
a fellow wiseass...i love it
All of God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I didn't say that. And none of what we are saying makes it acceptable. But what I AM trying to point out is that there were A LOT of extenuating details, and that I believe that it was an accident and he is not, nor does he deserved to be called, a murderer.
Gotcha.
Of course. But I was addressing Rollo's claim that Kennedy didn't mention his injuries at the time, when in fact he did.
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