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    In Australia we don't even bother with the "guys", it's just "youse" and because we're lazy we manage to shorten that to "yuz" as in "where yuz goin'?" (which would sound like "weyuzgoan?")

    We had a very famous boxer whose catchphrase was "I love youse all".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tati View Post
    In Northern Ontario, it would be "youse guys"

    *shudder*
    That's how some Northerners say it here!

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    • Yous(e) as a plural is found mainly in (Northern) England, Scotland, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, northern Nova Scotia, parts of Ontario in Canada and parts of the northeastern United States (especially areas like Boston where there was historically Irish immigration) and in Mexican-American communities in the southwest. It also occurs in Scouse.
    • Yous(e) as a singular is found in Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Cincinnati and scattered throughout working class Italian-American communities in the Rust Belt.
    • https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeyotch View Post
    Many moons ago as a little girl and an ESL speaker, I was so frustrated at all the exceptions to the convoluted, seemingly arbitrary rules. So after a lifetime of memorizing and adhering to said arbitrary rules and exceptions, I am pretty dang pissed that they're changing AGAIN, just whenever enough people feel like it. I dislike language/grammar changes.
    I sympathize, but once again, this *isn't* arbitrary, it's the mark of an important social reaction that's seeking to be more inclusive towards a discriminated group.

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    Yes but it's still making a plural to mean a singular. I am inclusive and everything, but this feels grammatically wrong, like someone asking me to say that 1+1=1. I wish it were an alternative pronoun. Even a made-up one like Latin-x, which I think is silly but isn't confusing any grammatical meaning or structure.
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    ok - page 9 of this thread and sam smith's music still sucks.

    just had to interject.
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    "Someone rang the doorbell but when I got to the door they had already left, I saw them drive off."

    Singular. It's more about training the mind than anything else, and the only way to do that is get used to it and repeat it until it becomes natural, even though it might sound wrong to say "they has".
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    Wouldn’t you just say ‘they have?’
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    I usually say "they have", "they drive," "they suck" etc, which is the norm here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    That's how some Northerners say it here!
    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    • Yous(e) as a plural is found mainly in (Northern) England, Scotland, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, northern Nova Scotia, parts of Ontario in Canada and parts of the northeastern United States (especially areas like Boston where there was historically Irish immigration) and in Mexican-American communities in the southwest. It also occurs in Scouse.
    • Yous(e) as a singular is found in Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Cincinnati and scattered throughout working class Italian-American communities in the Rust Belt.
    • https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yous
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    Wouldn’t you just say ‘they have?’
    Well yeah, I would. But for instance "Who's hogging the remote control?" "He is" would become "They are", which some people might struggle with (at first). I mean, it doesn't sound wrong and it's technically correct, so it's just a matter of getting used to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InigoMontoya View Post
    Thanks, Lalasnake! I’d thought it was thou, thee, thine, and ye.
    Yup, you're right. Ye became you, and then you took over thou.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Where I am from “thee” (“t’”) is informal frequently singular; thou (“tha”) is plural.
    As in “where’s tha from” “thee’s in trouble”.
    I read that the Quaker use comes from one of the English dialects. I think they said the use of thee, tha, etc., was different depending on where you were from. I love that people still use "tha" and "thee" in everyday language.

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    Youse as a plural is common in a traditional Noo Yawk accent. "Whadda youse guys doin'?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by faithanne View Post
    In Australia we don't even bother with the "guys", it's just "youse" and because we're lazy we manage to shorten that to "yuz" as in "where yuz goin'?" (which would sound like "weyuzgoan?")

    We had a very famous boxer whose catchphrase was "I love youse all".
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    That's how some Northerners say it here!
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    Youse as a plural is common in a traditional Noo Yawk accent. "Whadda youse guys doin'?"
    I didn't know that Australia and other English speaking countries said youse - I automatically think of Joe Pesci and the Goodfella's crowd. I think I'm particular to "thou and thee" because it reminds me of I Dream of Jeannie.

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    I guess my thoughts are you are born as a male (with a penis) why can’t you still be addressed as a “he” and still enjoy all the things that you have stereotyped as being female without slapping a label on it? Does Sam believe that wearing heels and makeup is what being a woman is all about? I’m sorry if I’m being rude but it feels like that actually perpetuates gender stereotypes.

    I'm glad you wrote this. I thought the same thing. What's the big deal with heels? Especially being an entertainer. It's not like he's a dentist. Call Eddie Izzard, he works is great.

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    ^ Everyone likes Eddie. Maybe because he is intelligent and funny.
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