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    Ok ok I understand it a bit better now but I still think I’ll be struggling to use the pronouns that Sam and others would like. It’s a new concept for me and although I don’t intend any offense, I hope there will be some leeway while people adapt. Also don’t hurt me but I like singing along with Sam’s whiny music.
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    I like his music okay. I'd rather listen to his music than his blather.
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    don't like THEIR music so don't care.

    my 0.02. all sounds better after a glass of cab except for THEIR drivel.

    there. i said it.
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    Why not change the female to 'SE' and make 'SHE' is all inclusive. Makes sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywhit View Post
    See, this is my damn problem with the whole thing - I've been following this thread, but got confused, not for the first time in this thread, when I read your post because I didn't know to whom you were referring to 'they'... I was looking for who they were - maybe if you had said 'No idea who they is...'???

    Communication is the whole point of language. I generally try to be empathetic, and don't have any problem accommodating my form of address to whatever makes someone feel safe, and included, and respected, and understood. The problem is that the form of address Smith and others are asking for will not lead to caring and clarity, but to confusion. Confusion doesn't usually create safe places, it creates resentment and resistance. Can't someone come up with a brand new term? A 'Ms.' type of solution?

    Well, language evolves - gentleman and gay each have vastly different accepted meanings today than in 1819. No doubt my (hypothetical) grandchildren will snicker at Granny's (or do I want to be called Nana? Or maybe Oma?) old fashioned ways. Young whippersnappers...
    I’ve seen Mx which seems to cover it.



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    Or





    As someone with gay, transvestite and gender fluid friends, I can honestly say “it’s not that hard” to use their (plural) preferred pronoun. Maybe I think it’s just about being polite and tolerate to the person you are speaking to or about.
    Also it is such a simple thing to implement (for me) but makes others feel comfortable, accepted and included I don’t “get” why anyone wouldn’t use gender neutral pronouns. But that is just me.

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    If I can put up with hearing people say "mis-chiev-EE-ous" and "irregardless" without shanking them, I think we can get used to using a correct term we're already familiar with. Language evolves, whether we want it to or not. And I certainly DON'T want mischievEEous to be the norm, but I can't stop the world from being dumbfucks, so I've put my knives away (reluctantly).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post



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    Yes, language evolves, but it is usually something that happens naturally over time, not something that is prescribed by a tiny minority of people. This is not new words being added and others falling out of fashion. It's expecting everyone to alter deeply ingrained patterns of speech in order to validate your feelings. I think it's a bit much.
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    Also, does Sam want to be known for Sam's music or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenna View Post
    Yes, language evolves, but it is usually something that happens naturally over time, not something that is prescribed by a tiny minority of people. This is not new words being added and others falling out of fashion. It's expecting everyone to alter deeply ingrained patterns of speech in order to validate your feelings. I think it's a bit much.
    But it does happen. Like the example earlier in the thread of the use of Ms instead of Miss or Mrs. Most people will address someone the way they want to be addressed, but there are still people who object to its use.
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    would it be disrespectful if i referred to sam as 'the one who sings crappy songs'? it is free of gender-specific pronouns so should be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollo View Post
    Also, does Sam want to be known for Sam's music or what?
    I think that Sam just wants to be known.
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    Well he’s only sold 20 million (crappy) records worldwide so yeah totally toiling in obscurity.
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