Roseanne Barr rips Oprah one regarding Barack Obama

[sweet2071]

Originally Posted by HWBL

Hey, newbie, shut up and learn some manners!

Um...that was pretty much my advice for you. Your outspoken obnoxious remarks generalizing everyone that lives in the US is unwarranted and downright rude. You would benefit infinitely from learning some much needed manners. Talk about elitism. You have a fulminant and quite possibly incurable case of it. I am surprised more posters have not called you out on the carpet. You are truly and apparently quite blatantly insulting to just about every demographic there is.

Oh and just because I don't post impulsively over 4,000 times does not make me a newbie. I have been around for a number of years although my join date would imply otherwise.

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

I can't stand Oprah, but this makes no sense to me. How can Oprah cater to whites, but be racist at the same time. True, I believe Oprah is racist to a degree with blacks and whites, where she thinks she's above both. But I don't believe she hates, either.

And what 'pro-black' things has Oprah done? What because she produces 'black' movies like Beloved, and produces a 'black' play like the Color Purple? Or because she opened girls school in South Africa? What score do you think Oprah is trying to settle? Be specific.

Hi King,

"be specific", would have sounded nicer if you'd have said
"Could you be specific?", but okay.
I'm wondering if you've watched Oprah regularly and recently,
otherwise you may not have even had the need for me to
clarify, but I'll try.

The two things that seem mutually exclusive don't really have to be.
It either is made possible by genuinely not being aware that one
is doing it, which may very well be the case with Oprah, who sees
herself as a do-gooder. I mean, this is the woman who in one program
shows her lavish birthdayparty, where at high cost, using the very
best materials, a huge party tent is erected to celebrate her own
birthday at which all those (affluent, white, black, yellow, green,
from the arts, science, politics and what not) who are willing to
kiss her butt are invited. And who in the next program makes sure
the needy are granted scholarships, free housing (at least for a
while), new wardrobes, cars etc. etc. That does not prove a thing
yet, except that in the program in between she can say just as
easily that she hates it when people are being wasteful and
extravagant.
The score to settle thing is that, whenever there is a situation
that puts black against white, not even to begin with, but when
it evolves during the handling of the topic, she becomes ultra
black. Explaining to her, largely, white audience often as far back
as the times of slavery why ....... and then reason back to the
topic at hand. How often does she not exclaim in between
scripted lines "It's a black thing" (often exaggerating her southern
twang)? Yes, she loves hanging out with white people, but look
at what most of them are: Dr. Oz, John Travolta, Jennifer Anniston,
Bill Gates and so on and so forth. Have you ever seen shows of
her where she has staff members sitting on her couch?
Three white women and one black woman? Now guess who gets
the longest time for her answers? And guess how, relatively,
timid by comparison the white producers looked each time she
addressed them.
Remember her "I was discriminated because I'm black" when she
tried to get into that Hermes store for a designer bag? When in reality
the store was closed or almost closing?

The opening of schools in South Africa, taking part in
housing and education projects for the Africans and African
Americans who need it is a beautiful thing, but like my man
"Bulworth" said: white people have more in common with
black people than with rich people. Almost all her projects
are, or seem to anyway by way she presents them in her
show, for the (poor) black community. She only has time
for whites if they're millionaires.

And I am not the only one who gets these unsettled feelings
from Oprah's actions, and has been getting them for years
already. She truly is megalomaniacal and seems to have lost
(or at least rapidly losing) touch with how all that she says
and does, comes across. At least a large portion of the
African American population will not follow her "advice" in
the elections, now that she has chosen to be all black again.

I Hate This! Blog » We Hate Oprah!

An Open Letter To Oprah Winfrey

BlackNewsGlobal.com - Oprah Can’t Do Much For Obama

Counterbias :: Forget The Color Purple: Oprah's All About the Green

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by sweet2071

Um...that was pretty much my advice for you. Your outspoken obnoxious remarks generalizing everyone that lives in the US is unwarranted and downright rude. You would benefit infinitely from learning some much needed manners. Talk about elitism. You have a fulminant and quite possibly incurable case of it. I am surprised more posters have not called you out on the carpet. You are truly and apparently quite blatantly insulting to just about every demographic there is.

Oh and just because I don't post impulsively over 4,000 times does not make me a newbie. I have been around for a number of years although my join date would imply otherwise.

Okay, then just crawl back under your rock.

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by HWBL

Hi King,

"be specific", would have sounded nicer if you'd have said
"Could you be specific?", but okay.
I'm wondering if you've watched Oprah regularly and recently,
otherwise you may not have even had the need for me to
clarify, but I'll try.

The two things that seem mutually exclusive don't really have to be.
It either is made possible by genuinely not being aware that one
is doing it, which may very well be the case with Oprah, who sees
herself as a do-gooder. I mean, this is the woman who in one program
shows her lavish birthdayparty, where at high cost, using the very
best materials, a huge party tent is erected to celebrate her own
birthday at which all those (affluent, white, black, yellow, green,
from the arts, science, politics and what not) who are willing to
kiss her butt are invited. And who in the next program makes sure
the needy are granted scholarships, free housing (at least for a
while), new wardrobes, cars etc. etc. That does not prove a thing
yet, except that in the program in between she can say just as
easily that she hates it when people are being wasteful and
extravagant.
The score to settle thing is that, whenever there is a situation
that puts black against white, not even to begin with, but when
it evolves during the handling of the topic, she becomes ultra
black. Explaining to her, largely, white audience often as far back
as the times of slavery why ....... and then reason back to the
topic at hand. How often does she not exclaim in between
scripted lines "It's a black thing" (often exaggerating her southern
twang)? Yes, she loves hanging out with white people, but look
at what most of them are: Dr. Oz, John Travolta, Jennifer Anniston,
Bill Gates and so on and so forth. Have you ever seen shows of
her where she has staff members sitting on her couch?
Three white women and one black woman? Now guess who gets
the longest time for her answers? And guess how, relatively,
timid by comparison the white producers looked each time she
addressed them.
Remember her "I was discriminated because I'm black" when she
tried to get into that Hermes store for a designer bag? When in reality
the store was closed or almost closing?

The opening of schools in South Africa, taking part in
housing and education projects for the Africans and African
Americans who need it is a beautiful thing, but like my man
"Bulworth" said: white people have more in common with
black people than with rich people. Almost all her projects
are, or seem to anyway by way she presents them in her
show, for the (poor) black community. She only has time
for whites if they're millionaires.

And I am not the only one who gets this unsettled feeling
from Oprah's actions, and has been getting them for years
already. She truly is megalomaniacal and seems to have lost
(or at least rapidly losing) touch with how all that she says
and does, comes across. At least a large portion of the
African American population will not follow her "advice" in
the elections, now that she has chosen to be all black again.

I Hate This! Blog » We Hate Oprah!

An Open Letter To Oprah Winfrey

BlackNewsGlobal.com - Oprah Can’t Do Much For Obama

Counterbias :: Forget The Color Purple: Oprah's All About the Green

Hey, HWBL. You're right, I probably could've worded the 'be specific' part a little better. My bad.

And, you're right, I don't watch Oprah on a regular basis. I think the only time I watch her show is if she's going to have somebody on that I want to see, which is rare.

I agree that Oprah is a megalomaniac, much like Donald Trump. And like Trump, she can't see beyond her ego, and how she comes across to people. (Although I think some people don't like Oprah just because they don't like to see a woman, or a black person with the kind of wealth and power she has. But that's another issue.)

I think Oprah tries to be black, when it suits her purposes, and she tries to appeal more to her white base when it suits her purposes, too. But I still think she feels that she's beyond both races, so she can feel superior toward both.

[sweet2071]

Originally Posted by HWBL

Okay, then just crawl back under your rock.

Kiss my a$$, you Oprah hating lunatic. Seriously...what is your deal. Just an angry embittered woman with nothing better to do then think of all the reasons why you hate Oprah? You should really move on and try to find your happy place. Can't wait until Beatty comes out publicly to endorse Obama as it will likely send you over the edge, babbling incoherently how Oprah ruined your life. Based on your posts you are half way there.

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

Hey, HWBL. You're right, I probably could've worded the 'be specific' part a little better. My bad.

And, you're right, I don't watch Oprah on a regular basis. I think the only time I watch her show is if she's going to have somebody on that I want to see, which is rare.

I agree that Oprah is a megalomaniac, much like Donald Trump. And like Trump, she can't see beyond her ego, and how she comes across to people. (Although I think some people don't like Oprah just because they don't like to see a woman, or a black person with the kind of wealth and power she has. But that's another issue.)

I started out liking her, way back. I thought she was refreshing
in many ways, and intelligent. Back then she seemed more sincere.
Somewhere along the line, though, her ego started to inflate at
an alarming rate. I cannot even recall when exactly I, and many
others, started noticing it.
Now, in the new media age we live in, I find it just a bit more
unsettling than it would've been in earlier times when media
weren't so "easy access" to most people, when somebody in
her position, with her power AND with her inflated ego is
going into overdrive.

Originally Posted by kingcap72

I think Oprah tries to be black, when it suits her purposes, and she tries to appeal more to her white base when it suits her purposes, too. But I still think she feels that she's beyond both races, so she can feel superior toward both.

Yep, if she isn't there already, she's certainly heading that way.

Originally Posted by sweet2071

Kiss my a$$, you Oprah hating lunatic. Seriously...what is your deal. Just an angry embittered woman with nothing better to do then think of all the reasons why you hate Oprah? You should really move on and try to find your happy place. Can't wait until Beatty comes out publicly to endorse Obama as it will likely send you over the edge, babbling incoherently how Oprah ruined your life. Based on your posts you are half way there.

God, talk about missing the point: almost ANYBODY
else endorsing Obama would be better than Oprah.
Since you now have more time to read, read an
earlier post of mine where said as much.

[bychance]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

You know that works both ways, right? There are some black people who have the same kind of racist thinking. Because I know some black people who are just as racist as the Klan or any white supremacist group. Just saying.

I can't say black people can be 'racist'. Prejudice? Yes, but not 'racist'. I wouldn't consider ethnocentrism from minorities 'racism'. Not in its technical definition. Oppression is the reason that begins.

Oprah would have caught TWICE the hell if she had endorsed Edwards or a Republican. Women and black people would have ripped her a new one.

Oh, don't I know it

[CherryDarling]

Originally Posted by Bellatheball

In addition, our state does provide free medical care to most people who need it. The ironic thing is that most of these people can find $5-10/day for their ciggies and another $5-10 for their alcohol but they can't manage to find money for insurance. It's so frustrating to see folks like that drain a system. In addition, it tends to be the folks who get everything for free who are the most demanding. I realize not all patients without insurance fall in to this mold but a large number I've encountered do.

I know the type of people you are referring to with this comment...they give people who just don't happen to have health insurance yet STILL work their asses off a bad name. My middle-class family NEVER got anything for free from the gov't, (medical assistance included)...it was never even something we even thought about. Paid out of pocket for everything and sometimes things just got VERY tight. I come from a family that has had highs and lows with self-employment and grew up without insurance (I now have it, but my parents and younger siblings do not). I can remember growing up...people would look at me like I was a second-rate citizen just because I didn't have health insurance. That stigma just flat out sucks....and to be honest, it is very hurtful.

edit: Bella, I'm not flaming you!!! I'm just commenting on the other side of this argument...I can see where you're coming from.

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by bychance

I can't say black people can be 'racist'. Prejudice? Yes, but not 'racist'. I wouldn't consider ethnocentrism from minorities 'racism'. Not in its technical definition. Oppression is the reason that begins.

Oh, don't I know it

I'm sorry, but that 'black people can't be racist' is a MYTH that some black folks have been telling themselves for years, but it's not true. There are different levels and types of racism. But being a racist isn't about having the ability to oppress another race. The basic definition of a racist is that you hate a particular race of people, or all races, that are different from your own.

[Sojiita]

Originally Posted by sluce

I like Obama and was so impressed with him when he spoke at the Dem Convention back in 04. I watched him speak and thought how bright our nations future is with people like him coming up through the ranks. I do not, however, feel this is his time. I would like him to be a little more seasoned before he is my President. I would like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. That is something I can get behind!

Me too.

*Why do I miss all of the good threads?

[nwgirl]

Originally Posted by bychance

I can't say black people can be 'racist'. Prejudice? Yes, but not 'racist'. I wouldn't consider ethnocentrism from minorities 'racism'. Not in its technical definition. Oppression is the reason that begins.

What? Black people can't be racist? How have I missed that one?

Seriously, can someone please explain that to me? I've never heard that.

[Sojiita]

Originally Posted by nwgirl

What? Black people can't be racist? How have I missed that one?

Seriously, can someone please explain that to me? I've never heard that.

I agree. There seems to be a 'thinking' that only those in 'power' can be racist. That oppression derives from those in power, who can use it, etc. But I think this definition is flawed because 'power' and 'influence' and even whether or not a group is in the 'majority' can be looked at in both macro and micro circumstances. It depends on what level any situation being discussed is based. On the greatest macro level the 'minorities are not empowered and given that do not have the ability to oppress' can work, but only on that level. And most day to day life situations are NOT on that level. Just my opinion and I probably did not present it very well so whatever.

[Mel1973]

Racist Skank!

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by nwgirl

What? Black people can't be racist? How have I missed that one?

Seriously, can someone please explain that to me? I've never heard that.

Well, like Dave Chappelle used to say 'ask a black guy.' So, here I am.

The answer is: black people can be just as racist as anyone else. Anybody that thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

Originally Posted by Sojiita

I agree. There seems to be a 'thinking' that only those in 'power' can be racist. That oppression derives from those in power, who can use it, etc. But I think this definition is flawed because 'power' and 'influence' and even whether or not a group is in the 'majority' can be looked at in both macro and micro circumstances. It depends on what level any situation being discussed is based. On the greatest macro level the 'minorities are not empowered and given that do not have the ability to oppress' can work, but only on that level. And most day to day life situations are NOT on that level. Just my opinion and I probably did not present it very well so whatever.

You hit the nail on the head. That's the thinking that some black people, and other minorities, have. That racism is equated with power. Meaning if you're not the group in power then you don't have the power to oppress someone, so then you can't ever be a racist.

But what some people, who have that thinking, don't understand is that while racism can be a system of oppression by the majority over a minority, at the root of racism is a hate, or belief that you're superior, to another race. And you don't always have to 'oppress' somebody to be a racist.

[Bellatheball]

Originally Posted by CherryDarling

I know the type of people you are referring to with this comment...they give people who just don't happen to have health insurance yet STILL work their asses off a bad name. My middle-class family NEVER got anything for free from the gov't, (medical assistance included)...it was never even something we even thought about. Paid out of pocket for everything and sometimes things just got VERY tight. I come from a family that has had highs and lows with self-employment and grew up without insurance (I now have it, but my parents and younger siblings do not). I can remember growing up...people would look at me like I was a second-rate citizen just because I didn't have health insurance. That stigma just flat out sucks....and to be honest, it is very hurtful.

edit: Bella, I'm not flaming you!!! I'm just commenting on the other side of this argument...I can see where you're coming from.

No offense taken! I didn't write something I should have, mostly because I haven't thought it all through. It would seem to me the goverment should look at the 1/7 people without insurance and find out WHY they don't have it. Direct programs toward those reasons. Frankly, I'm in no hurry to have my tax dollars help those who can shell out $50-$100/week on ciggies and alcohol but line up for every assistance program known to man. On the otherhand, I'm all for having my tax dollars help small business owners to provide insurance for their employees or to help others in the middle class who just can't make it. I'm also all for helping single moms or those who meet poverty levels and are truly trying.