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    Louis, we still love you, even if you live in Omaha. Also, I just realized you used "Orange is the New Black" before me. Sorry about that.

    Also wanted to add that I don't see how they will be able to state that anyone advised them to do this stuff -- they are committing shenanigans in so many different areas, it would require a team of dirty real estate agents, financial advisors, and bankruptcy attorneys, to go down with them. I don't see that happening.

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    Oh, I don't think they'll throw anyone else under the bus, Moh. But there's been some stuff coming out lately on other boards that they (and almost everyone else on that show) are, ahem...connected. No big surprise if it's true or not true. My gut feeling is that if someone DID advise them, they'll keep their traps shut anyway
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    Please share the other boards, I'd lovd to read them.

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    Caroline's husband has always given me to mob vibe. Hell Caroline used to act like the mob boss on that show. With all the we are all family and protect each other no matter what.

    Joe and Tre are 2 big time idiots. I feel bad for their eldest daughter. She seems to know exactly how terrible her mother behaves and won't put up with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprynkles View Post
    Caroline's husband has always given me to mob vibe. Hell Caroline used to act like the mob boss on that show. With all the we are all family and protect each other no matter what.

    Joe and Tre are 2 big time idiots. I feel bad for their eldest daughter. She seems to know exactly how terrible her mother behaves and won't put up with it.
    Which one was the one whose FIL was assassinated gangland style?

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    Real Housewives of New Jersey Star Caroline Manzo is holding nothing back while promoting her new book, ‘Let Me Tell You Something.’ In a recent interview with NY Daily News, Caroline is opening up about the mysterious and controversial death of her father-in-law, Albert “Tiny” Manzo, and the allegations that he was affiliated with the mafia.
    Caroline explains how her father-in-law’s death has stigmatized the “mob” aspect of her family’s Italian roots, especially since Albert Sr. was found dead in the trunk of a car outside a supermarket in Hillside, N.J. in August of 1983.
    “I will not give credence to the Mafia talk,” Caroline says of her father-in-law. “He was a good man, a family man. His death remains a mystery.”
    As Wetpaint Entertainment reports, Albert’s murder was never solved, even though it’s suspected that he was involved in skimming money from a casino on Staten Island with the Gambino family’s soldier, Peter A. Campisi. The murder has followed the Manzo family, making them a target of constant mob chatter and speculation. Tiny was found bound and gagged with four bullet shots in his torso. Campisi suffered a similar execution.

    Albert Tiny Manzo's Murder, Did Caroline's Father-In-Law Have Mob Ties? - All Things Real Housewives

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    The only mystery about his death is why it took them so long!!!
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    She FAKED a W-2?!?!?! The Fed's don't fuck around with something like that. shit like that went down here a few years ago with the mortgage meltdown and there was a couple that had a pretty elaborate mortgage scheme, but none of them included faking/altering/making up government documents, which is what a W-2 is. Feds cracked down on everyone on that one too, realtors, loan officers, title companies, attorneys. The Guidices aren't the only ones that are going to take the fall on this one.

    In regard to why they would have made up an occupation for her for a mortgage (as I was once in the mortgage business), my guess is that they were trying to buy a property, but Joe couldn't get approved by himself, either due to credit/being overextended/being able to prove income/etc...., but Teresa had ample credit to get approved, and most debt was probably in Joe's name. But if Teresa doesn't have an income, she can't get a loan, so they made up a job and paycheck for her so she could get approved. She could claim ignorance, that Joe did it all and she didn't know what was going on, but she signed the papers stating that her income was correct, which is as good as taking an oath.
    My impression was that they/he had a lot of undeclared income that her having a job could account for - if you know what I mean. He's in construction right? There are plenty of opertunities for tax-free work...
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    Damn it all. I'm actually sorry to hear it.

    Embarrassed to admit to being a viewer (because...well...really) and last year I hated her ass. But this year her SIL has been such an asshole, that I'd kind of started to feel for her and "Juicy Joe". I

    What a mess this whole show has become. Every last person on this show has hands at least this dirty. *shakes head*.

    Why do I watch this shit?
    I really feel that the way she has treated these people (sil & brother) makes them react the way they do with her but I'm biased!



    has he been sentenced for faking a drivers licence and the two DUIs?????

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    Manzo's FIL was associated with mobsters, but not a made guy. There's a difference, as anyone that has seen Goddfellas knows

    But seriously, there is a difference.



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    Like a wannabe?

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    For example, you can't be whacked without explicit permission from your local capo. Tommy DeSimone learned that belatedly after whacking Billy Batts....

    Quote Originally Posted by sprynkles View Post
    Like a wannabe?
    I think it's more like having a provisional driver's license or learner's permit.
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    lol. exactly like billy batts and tommy desimone. that part really happened.

    when they 'make' you, you become a member of the mafia. it's a real thing, silly as it sounds. there aren't that many. lots more are just 'associates' and always will be.

    sometimes they're wannabes and sometimes they are businessmen who dabble in illegal things on the side, or work as a front in a business for mob guys laundering money. manzo was probably that type. he sure made somebody mad.

    here's an article from long before the show about 'tiny', (and the insurance company is the criminal);



    BATTLE OVER VICTIM’S INSURANCE

    By CHRISTOPHER KILBOURNE
    Staff Writer Diabetes didn't kill Albert "Tiny" Manzo -- four bullets did.


    In fact, the cause of death was about the only aspect of the 1983 murder of the popular Paterson restaurateur that was not cloaked in mystery.


    Police who discovered Manzo's naked, 350-pound body stuffed inside the trunk of his Lincoln Continental in Hillside immediately noticed two things out of the ordinary: Manzo's massive arms and legs had been wrapped in plastic, and his chest was ripped open with a quartet of gunshot wounds.


    Nevertheless, Manzo's diabetes is the reason an insurance company is refusing to pay off on a $500,000 life insurance policy taken out shortly before the murder.


    Although Manzo's death obviously was unrelated to that condition, Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co. contends that his failure to admit to his diabetes on an insurance application amounted to fraud and that the insurance contract therefore should be rescinded.


    A sometimes skeptical state Supreme Court panel heard arguments in the case Tuesday and is expected to rule in the next several months.


    The trial court that heard the case ruled in favor of Massachusetts Mutual. But in June 1989, the Appellate Division of Superior Court reversed that judgment. In a 2-1 decision, the Appellate Division said that Manzo's heirs should receive the full amount of the policy less a higher premium -- about $3,000 rather than $1,300 -- that he would have been charged had the company known about his diabetes.


    Writing in dissent to that appellate ruling, Superior Court Judge David Landau said that Manzo had committed a form of fraud and that the missing information would "naturally and reasonably influence" Massachusetts Mutual's decision to issue a policy.


    However, in his arguments Tuesday before the Supreme Court, a lawyer for the company conceded that Manzo would have been issued a policy -- at the higher premium -- even if he had disclosed his diabetes. But attorney Eugene Haring argued that it would be "insurance by hindsight" for the court to uphold life insurance policies based on false applications, requiring only that the premiums be adjusted retroactively.


    A rule of law that does not require truthful answers on insurance applications will encourage people to lie about their medical histories, Haring said. That could lead to the issuance of policies -- or unrealistically low premiums -- to high-risk candidates, with the end result being higher insurance costs for everyone, he said.


    But Justice Robert L. Clifford seemed skeptical. He wondered why, if Manzo's estate pays the higher premium, would it be unfair to require Massachusetts Mutual to make good on a policy that it admittedly would have issued even if it had known about Manzo's diabetes.


    Relying on a misrepresentation about diabetes to get out of paying life insurance on a man who was shot to death smacks of the company saying "ah -- we finally found a way out of this lousy case," Clifford said.


    Michael Chazkel, a lawyer for the Manzo family, argued that it would not be an undue burden on the insurance industry to require companies to honor policies where a misrepresentation on the application was "innocent" and where the policy would have been issued even without the false statement.


    Manzo, who ran unsuccessfully for mayor of Paterson in 1974, applied for the policy June 8, 1983, and underwent a required physical exam three weeks later. He paid a $200 deposit toward the policy on July 24.


    Manzo disappeared in mid-August of that year while traveling from one of his two Paterson restaurants toa meeting in Wayne. Police found his body Aug. 22 inside the trunk of his car, which was parked at a Hillside supermarket.


    The murder was never solved. The Union County prosecutor and police investigators speculated that Manzo was killed as a result of involvement with organized crime figures. One theory is that he angered local mob figures by attempting to open an illegal gambling club in Paterson without their permission.


    Ironically, the friendly and gregarious Manzo had based his mayoral campaign on a law-and-order platform, promising to hold public hangings in the yard of the Passaic County Jail.


    Manzo's wife and sons still run the Brownstone Restaurant in Paterson. His son Albert said the family is doing fine, although it would be nice for his mother's sake if the high court orders the insurance company to pay the $500,000.


    "We are going to be here for a long time, with or without it," he said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    My impression was that they/he had a lot of undeclared income that her having a job could account for - if you know what I mean. He's in construction right?


    has he been sentenced for faking a drivers licence and the two DUIs?????
    Joe could have declared the income via stated income loan or done a 1099. A w2 has to be filed by the employer as well and includes income taxes, FICA etc.... She can't claim that she didn't know anything about it and joe did it alone. She would have had to sign documents stating her income and employment are true as stated in the loan. They go over this paper at the time of signing, both at the loan app and the closing. No way can she claim ignorance unless joe dressed in drag and perfected tre's signature.

    Joes sentencing for the DL is still pending.
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    Shrill Harpy from the Real Housewives Is Facing 30 Years in Prison





    Professional reality star/amateur table flipper Teresa Giudice and her walking choad of a husband, Giuseppe “Joe” Giudice, have been indicted on fraud and tax charges.

    According to a release from the U.S. Attorney in New Jersey, the Giudices have been charged with "a conspiracy to defraud lenders and illegally obtain mortgages and other loans as well as allegedly hiding assets and income during a bankruptcy case." Translated out of legalese that means Bravo Andy will get his ratings bonus come reunion time.

    The counts of bank fraud and loan application fraud alone "each carry a maximum potential penalty of 30 years in prison and a $1 million fine."

    The indictment alleges that the Giudices "intentionally concealed" a variety of revenue streams, including Teresa's "true income" from the Real Housewives of New Jersey, as well as the bump she got for the second season of the show.

    N. From in or about June 2008 through the filing of the Bankruptcy Petition, defendant TERESA GIUDICE received income of approximately $110,677 from various sources, including her work as an actress on the television show "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" (the "Television Show"), sales from the tgfabulicious.com website, and payments from personal and magazine appearances.

    O. On or about June 5, 2009 and August 27, 2009, defendants GIUSEPPE GIUDICE and TERESA GIUDICE signed agreements in Connection with then-upcoming Season Two of the Television Show whereby they would receive approximately $110,000 in compensation.

    Take a long hard look. That's the going rate to sell your soul in America.



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    It is insane to try and fake these types of things, I can't believe they got away with it for so long. I know that for our mortgage application everything had to be checked and double checked.

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    They deserve it. They were already rich before the show (as all cast members of Real Housewives shows are) and they get paid tons of money between the show, appearances and endorsements yet they still felt the need to do this? Way to set an example for your fans but most importantly your kids, guys. I don't feel sorry for them. The only one's i feel sorry for are their kids, but i already felt sorry for them before because of who they were being raised by and the drama they were being raised around.
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