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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    There was incontrovertible DNA evidence that connected OJ to the murders in his vehicle, in his home, at Nicole's home...the list goes on. Yes, the LAPD bungled the case and there was contamination of evidence, but there was still plenty to convict him on. But between the bungling and the star-fucking judge and the "dream team," guilt couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard. That doesn't make him innocent. Cops and lawyers know that guilty people walk all the time when the state doesn't make its case for whatever reason.

    You can be sure if he were poor and black, Hispanic, white or polka dot, he would have been found guilty. The whole idea that this was a "race" issue is a crock. OJ was so far removed from black culture it wasn't funny, but hey, race is always a convenient card to play when the going gets tough.
    It WAS, in part, a race issue. Or did you really think, that if
    O.J. were a white man and Nicole his BLACK ex-wife, or if both
    had been white or black, this case could've reached its epic
    proportions? Come on!

    And no: there was not plenty to convict him on, at least,
    there would not have been, had all evidence processing
    procedures AND lab handling of evidence been executed
    according to the strict regulations. They were not, multiple
    times, so much so that it is truly shocking.

    Meanwhile, the Las Vegas Police is trying to clean up
    their self made mess. Source: TMZ.COM



    More Drama! Beardsley Busted on Parole Violation

    TMZ has confirmed sports memorabilia dealer Alfred Beardsley,
    an alleged victim in the O.J. Simpson robbery, was arrested by
    Vegas cops Wednesday for a parole violation.


    Vegas FOX affiliate KVVU is reporting Beardsley was arrested by
    a fugitive task force at the Luxor Hotel. Authorities told FOX
    Beardsley was wanted on a California warrant for a parole violation.

    He was taken into custody without incident and is being held,
    pending an extradition hearing to send him back to California.

    Beardsley first spoke exclusively to TMZ just hours after the
    alleged incident in Vegas.

    Story developing ...
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    This case was WAY more about celebrity than race. If race were the issue, then why didn't the cops arrest him immediately instead of letting him run? Why wasn't he jailed for repeated domestic assault if it were only about race? It was about money and celebrity, period. Race was the red herring that Cochran et al raised, but it was never the real issue in this particular murder trial.

    OJ benefitted the same as any white celebrity would from his star status. That is just not debatable, IMO. The facts scream otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    This case was WAY more about celebrity than race. If race were the issue, then why didn't the cops arrest him immediately instead of letting him run? Why wasn't he jailed for repeated domestic assault if it were only about race? It was about money and celebrity, period. Race was the red herring that Cochran et al raised, but it was never the real issue in this particular murder trial.

    OJ benefitted the same as any white celebrity would from his star status. That is just not debatable, IMO. The facts scream otherwise.
    Okay, you stand by your opinion.
    I don't know your race. I'm colored and in my personal
    experience as a human being AND in the legal field I have
    seen this happen, countless times, to non-celebs.
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    Yes, injustice does happen more frequently to minorities and people of colour. But I don't believe that was the issue in this case. I am talking about OJ, not American justice in general. Just this ONE case. And he is/was a celebrity and enjoyed all the perks that come with it, one of which is special treatment by the law, especially in a celeb-mad/ruled town like L.A. Only now he's infamous instead of famous.

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    Source: TMZ.COM

    O.J.'s Alleged Victims Called Press, Talked Money

    An hour after O.J. and crew raided a Vegas hotel room,
    the alleged victims were planning their media moves.

    TMZ has obtained an audiotape recorded about an hour
    after Simpson left. Bruce Fromong, one of the alleged victims,
    is heard saying, "I've already called the press." Fromong
    continues, "I've already called "Inside Edition." I'm trying to
    get Lydia's number, but it was in my f*****g phone that
    he stole."

    Fromong rants at Alfred Beardsley, the other alleged victim,
    saying, "I told you we shouldn't have brought this s**t in.
    I told you." Beardsley replies, "Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, do you
    know how much money you're gonna make off this?"
    Fromong responds, "I don't give a s**t."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWBL View Post

    Many in the judiciary system that I know think he didn't actually
    commit the murders himself, but was involved in some way and
    was at the crime scene during or right after the murders. In truth,
    there is about as much evidence pointing at him as pointing away
    from him. The reasons why he was acquited are solely to be blamed
    on the police and proscecutors who did about as bad a job as
    any small town hicksville law enforcement office could have done.
    Exactly. I've always had a problem with the theory that O.J. just walked up on these two people and killed them, by himself, at 10:30 or so at night, and nobody saw or heard anything. And managed to do it without getting a mark on him, besides a cut on his finger.

    If O.J. did kill them, then he had someone else there. Or he arranged for the hit. Or my favorite theory is that his oldest son Jason was the one that did it.

    But you're right, the cops and prosecution screwed that investigation up royally from the start. And the way the cops and prosecution are handling things in Vegas, history is going to repeat itself and O.J. will walk again. Because the way they're handling things it's like they're trying to make him pay for the two murders, and a good lawyer could bring up the whole double jeopardy defense.

    But, through it all, O.J. is a moron anyway. Because if anybody on the planet should be trying to keep their nose clean and stay out of trouble it's O.J.

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    [quote=HWBL;822521]It WAS, in part, a race issue. Or did you really think, that if
    O.J. were a white man and Nicole his BLACK ex-wife, or if both
    had been white or black, this case could've reached its epic
    proportions? Come on!

    /quote]

    Thank you! People can pretend to tap dance around the race issue all they want to, but race played a HUGE role in the O.J. case. Had O.J. been accused of killing his BLACK ex-wife that case would not have become the trial of the century. Period.

    Not to mention, right from the start the public was split down racial lines about O.J.'s guilt or innocence. Most whites thought he was guilty and most blacks thought he was innocent.

    People seem to have all of this moral outrage about O.J. getting off for killing his ex-wife, but where was all of that moral outrage when Robert Blake, a white male celebrity, was accused, tried, and acquitted of killing his white ex-wife? I don't hear people complaining about that case, which was within the last year or so. But people still complain about O.J. well over a decade later. And Robert Blake had a dumber alibi than O.J. did. He went into the restaurant to get his gun and when he came out he saw that someone had shot his wife. I mean, come on.

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    i dont think it was a race issue either! OJ was more white than the whitest man i know!! he surrounded himself w/ white ppl and did "white" things and married white and etc. etc. etc. golfing and shit like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland View Post
    i dont think it was a race issue either! OJ was more white than the whitest man i know!! he surrounded himself w/ white ppl and did "white" things and married white and etc. etc. etc. golfing and shit like that.
    Yeah, I'll give you that. But just because O.J. is white on the inside, doesn't change the fact that he' still black on the outside.

    Hell, look at Tiger Woods. You can't be more of a white man dipped in caramel than him, but even he used to be denied entry into certain country clubs. And he's Tiger Woods.

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    he is a whity mcwhitester! and always has been, he reminds me of freakin' Carlton on the fresh prince!




    btw don't google 'OJ simpson', it came up w/ the nasty ass gross and sad pics of the bloodied corpses of the victims he nearly decapitated w/ their dead shark eyes drained of blood slightly open; it was sick!
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    Kingcap, this injustice stays with me more due to the mere brutality of this double murder.The fact that two people were stabbed so viciously, one almost decapitated, while two children slept upstairs, really disturbs me more than I can explain. It is not because he was black. Do I think that race played a part in his acquittal? Yes, absolutely. Like you said, most blacks thought that he was innocent for some reason, until after he was acquitted and the smoke cleared. Then most (that I know) changed their mind and said he was guilty. I even had one woman I worked with years later say that if she had known he was such an "Uncle Tom" (a phrase I have never understood, to be honest), that she never would have cheered him on in the first place. I even heard that after the trial, one of the female black jurors said she didn't have much sympathy for Nicole, because of the fact that she was a white woman married to a black man. WTF? The final jury was really skewed race-wise because of the inability to challenge potential jurors over race. I think that from the get-go, he was pretty much assured an acquittal. I remember after the verdict was announced, a black woman in my class started cheering. I still remember the sounds of the people cheering in the hallways. For this woman, she said it boiled down to the fact that finally, a black man went free. I said, but he killed people. She said, who cares, white people kill black people all the time and go free! No joke. I think people got swept up in the racial aspect of this crime instead of focusing on the evidence. Thats what gets me. It was such an injustice. And over this guy, who never even did anything for the black community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland View Post
    he is a whity mcwhitester! and always has been, he reminds me of freakin' Carlton on the fresh prince!




    btw don't google 'OJ simpson', it came up w/ the nasty ass gross and sad pics of the bloodied corpses of the victims he nearly decapitated w/ their dead shark eyes drained of blood slightly open; it was sick!
    Wow. There is a resemblance. Maybe Alfonso should play O.J. in the movie of the week. It's not like he's doing anything else.

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    omg! actually i think it was nicole's corpse that popped up; i just thought it was Ron Goldman's b/c her hair is so soaked w/ blood that its super dark like his was - it appears that she died where she fell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    Kingcap, this injustice stays with me more due to the mere brutality of this double murder.The fact that two people were stabbed so viciously, one almost decapitated, while two children slept upstairs, really disturbs me more than I can explain. It is not because he was black. Do I think that race played a part in his acquittal? Yes, absolutely. Like you said, most blacks thought that he was innocent for some reason, until after he was acquitted and the smoke cleared. Then most (that I know) changed their mind and said he was guilty. I even had one woman I worked with years later say that if she had known he was such an "Uncle Tom" (a phrase I have never understood, to be honest), that she never would have cheered him on in the first place. I even heard that after the trial, one of the female black jurors said she didn't have much sympathy for Nicole, because of the fact that she was a white woman married to a black man. WTF? The final jury was really skewed race-wise because of the inability to challenge potential jurors over race. I think that from the get-go, he was pretty much assured an acquittal. I remember after the verdict was announced, a black woman in my class started cheering. I still remember the sounds of the people cheering in the hallways. For this woman, she said it boiled down to the fact that finally, a black man went free. I said, but he killed people. She said, who cares, white people kill black people all the time and go free! No joke. I think people got swept up in the racial aspect of this crime instead of focusing on the evidence. Thats what gets me. It was such an injustice. And over this guy, who never even did anything for the black community.
    I agree with some of what you said, January. But O.J. didn't get acquitted just because of black people. The jury was a mix of races, so it was a cross-section of people that acquitted O.J. And a lot of black people who thought O.J. was innocent at the time have changed their opinion, me being one of them.

    But the bottom line is that this case was lost by the police and the prosecution. Because if they had handled the investigation the right way from the start, then there wouldn't have been room for reasonable doubt. I mean, when police start walking around with a vial of the suspect's blood, and then say 'look, we found a bloody trail of blood leading back to his house,' right after they bring the now half-empty vial of blood back to the lab it creates problems. Because truth be told had O.J. been found guilty he probably would have been let out on an appeal because of the shoddy way the police handled the case. Which happens all of the time when people get off the hook for a crime because of a technicality.

    And that was messed up about that one black female juror said. But, as for the black woman, and many other blacks who cheered, I suspect that there would have been a lot of white people cheering had O.J. been found guilty.

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    I agree with Pacific Breeze- I think this case reached the proportions it did because of his celebrity. I do believe if his wife were black the case would still have exploded and turned into a media spectacle- although I do not believe it would have caused as much of a racial divide (i.e. blacks cheering, upset whites). I still notice black people defend him more than non- blacks, which is fine if it's genuinely because they think he didn't do it (although evidence supports the fact that he did)- but if it's just based solely on race it's just stupid. I wouldn't defend Robert Blake because he's white.

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