Nicole Kidman's children unite

[Sweetie]

Originally Posted by katerpillar

But how can one parent be sure that even if they try to keep things civil outside the courtroom, the other parent won't let it it spill out into the rest of their life and cause stress and upset for the kids? What about the other parent's family - they might behave nastily outside the courtroom, or attempt to manipulate the kids.

If Nicole tried to get full custody of Connor and Isabella, it's hard to picture Tom Cruise being mature and fair about the whole thing outside of the courtroom.

Kids get upset over everything. I would be willing for my kid to get upset or stressed under those circumstances. Think of it this was...if you were Nicole, and Tom had your children in that crazy ass religion, are you telling me that you wouldn't fight for them because their feelings might get hurt? I say let their feelings get hurt for a matter of months, it better than being brainwashed and "zombiefied" for the rest of their lives.

[Trixiebelle]

Originally Posted by cherrybaby

Question: The Cruise-Kidman custody arrangement was originally agreed to years ago. Kidman may have agreed to an arrangement then (for whatever reason) that she now regrets. How simple/ complicated would it be to contest or reopen the custody/ visitation agreement at this point?

I'm pretty sure they already have 50/50 custody. On paper anyway.

I think it would be pretty difficult to get more than that, unless Tom pulls a Britney.

[Novice]

Originally Posted by Trixiebelle 702#post1296702" rel="nofollow">

I'm pretty sure they already have 50/50 custody. On paper anyway.

Or something similar where they are resident with him but its joint custody; however, as much as I like Nicole I agree that it does seem like she didn't want them, even if she does tend to keep their visits out of the press.

[AliceInWonderland]

gawd how sad; prolly the first time they've seen her in years

[GoldDust77]

I really think a main issue is that Isabella & Connor WANT TO be with their father. They are fully ensconced in the $cientology world in Los Angeles. It's the only life they've ever known. Plus, they are the children of "The Messiah of $cientology" (Tom), so i'm sure they are treated VERY well by the *church*.--Doted on & whatnot. Tom is their highest-profile member, and according to what i've read, is the "second in command" (under the leader, David Miscavige). If for example, the kids of "The Messiah" of their *church* were unhappy being part of the *church*, that would be a public-relations NIGHTMARE for the *church*.

So, i am thinking that Isabella & Connor probably live a VERY happy life with their father, as part of $cientology, and plus they are brainwashed into thinking that the only good people in the world are fellow $cientologists--so they probably DON'T WANT TO have much to do with Nicole. Nicole has hinted at this in the media. --That for example, they don't even call her "Mom" anymore. I'm sure that Tom has made darn sure to do everything he can to make sure those kids DON'T WANT much to do with their mother.

I remember Nicole DID used to be more involved as a mother, and have them with her much more.--But that decreased at the kids got older. They are teenagers now & can make their own choices, and i think they enjoy their L.A. life that they are accustomed to and probably see their mother as a so-called (in $cientology-speak) "Suppressive Person" (i.e. a negative person) and if so, as full-fledged $cientologists, they would likely not want to be around their mother & her fellow non-$cientologist family/friends, since they are brainwashed to see her as "bad".

And like i said in my earlier post, people are pretty much powerless over trying to fight battles against $cientology--People who have tried to fight them end up DEAD. I really believe that Nicole is truly powerless here. It is a battle she could NOT win. And like i said, the kids seem happy living with their father anyway--so (even as evil as $cientology is, it IS the only life they've ever known) it would actually be rather cruel to take them out of a life they find happy and force them to be with a person who they see as "bad" because they are not a $cientologist (Nicole). It's unfortunate Isabella & Connor are in that horrible cult, BUT they seem happy & certainly well-cared-for, so it might be in THEIR best interest to let them live where they clearly WANT TO live--with their father. I think it would be impossible for Nicole to pull them out of that cult now; it would only be a big disaster, IMO.

[KD]

Originally Posted by Belindagogo

I hate when the media says "adopted" child(ren)...

Me too. When will they ever be so and so's child(ren)?

Marie Osmond and her Husband have bio and adopted children. I remember in an interview, she was asked which of her children were adopted, so they could have the ADOPTED qualifier in print for life, and she said "I don't remember."

[sparkly]

I know I'll get bashed for saying this, but it's a possibility that Nicole adopted those kids with Tom because he wanted to, and she never really connected with them. Honestly, her daughter was born like 3 weeks ago, and they just now saw her. Tom let them go, so it would be all the same if he let them go yesterday, or the day she was born.

I don't really buy the "It's what Tom allows/doesn't allow." They were married for 10 years, and Nicole NEVER converted to Scientology, and yet he had no problem adopting kids with her in the first place.


All I'm saying is that it's a possibility that Nicole is frigid with her first 2 kids for her own personal reasons.

[Belindagogo]

Originally Posted by KD

Me too. When will they ever be so and so's child(ren)?

Marie Osmond and her Husband have bio and adopted children. I remember in an interview, she was asked which of her children were adopted, so they could have the ADOPTED qualifier in print for life, and she said "I don't remember."

Glad to hear she said that, I would have been bitchy and asked why it matters.

[codyjo]

Don't you wish Bella Cruise had a My Space page?

[cherrybaby]

Originally Posted by codyjo

Don't you wish Bella Cruise had a My Space page?

It would probably be awesomely revealing. Unfortunately, Cruise probably thinks the internets are suppressive.

[Charlieboy]

I have trouble thinking like a celebrity but this is my opinion

If I were (by some loss of my sanity) married to someone involved in a cultist religion I had no intention of joining I would not:

either have or adopt children without a signed agreement that the children would not be raised in the religion.

But because this marriage was all a sham and everything pre-arranged, it's hard to know exactly what went down.

[cherrybaby]

Originally Posted by Charlieboy

I have trouble thinking like a celebrity but this is my opinion

If I were (by some loss of my sanity) married to someone involved in a cultist religion I had no intention of joining I would not:

either have or adopt children without a signed agreement that the children would not be raised in the religion.

But because this marriage was all a sham and everything pre-arranged, it's hard to know exactly what went down.

Some have speculated that the pre-nup included a clause that Cruise would retain primary physical custody of any kids and raise them in the cult in the event of a divorce. She young and dumb(er) agreed to it and now it would be harder to renegotiate.

I think she made multiple mistakes years ago and got herself (and the kids) into a situation she couldn't undo.

[sparkly]

^But the problem is, she waited 3 weeks to invite her kids to see her newborn. Something is definitely off about this situation.

[Novice]

baby's only 2 weeks old....

[aabbcc]

Originally Posted by sparkly

^But the problem is, she waited 3 weeks to invite her kids to see her newborn. Something is definitely off about this situation.

She didn't wait three weeks to invite them. She wanted them there for the birth, but TommyGirl made a fuss. They probably just went now because he finally let them go. I don't see why he should care though. The kids aren't even with him. They're being raised by his sister.