Michael Jackson's Family Accuses Executors of Fraud

*DIVA! · July 27th, 2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by NoNoRehab

I blame Michael for this. First off, leaving your kids to your elderly parent is a mistake anyway. Doubly so when the parent is Katherine Jackson. He was supposedly estranged from her at one point because she was such an enabler to Joe's abuse. He not only knew she refused to ever divorce Joe, but even if MJ did think his siblings were money-grubbers, he knew that his mom enabled and supported them blindly. Katherine in her prime was the Queen of Denial, did MJ think an elderly and frail Katherine was going to magically rise up and keep Joe and the siblings away from MJ's kids?

Then of course MJ chooses, as guardian runner-up, a celebrity who he hadn't seen in ten years. Third runner up was probably "Elephant Man's Bones."

It really couldn't have been hard to find someone under 60 and responsible to leave those kids to, whether his nephew or hell, even a random lawyer or some decent person on the payroll. The executors he chose seem good at their jobs and like they run a tight ship, and managed to get his estate out of debt and turning a big profit.

For fuck sake!!
I'm glad you know the whole story while us mere stupids follow blindly behind the smarts!!
He trusted his mother because she was the one person who unconditionally loved him. Katherine was from a time where you didn't leave your husband, and her mother believed in the JW doctrine so much that every time she did leave Joe..her mom sent her right back!!
And you can go to hell with the frail and elderly crap..

**Grimmlok** · July 27th, 2012, 07:38 AM

^ you seem a little too invested in this crap, might wanna bring it down a notch

*DIVA! · July 27th, 2012, 07:59 AM

No, I'm good!! I really don't give two shits!!

**Wilson** · July 27th, 2012, 09:38 AM

LATOYA LIVES!!!!

La Toya Jackson is a conscientious objector ... REFUSING to take part in the Jackson media war ... because she believes all of the PUBLIC feuding is damaging the family name.

La Toya -- who's not exactly shy when it comes to publicity -- has been noticeably absent from the media blitz surrounding Michael Jackson's kids and the MJ Estate.

We're told La Toya feels VERY STRONGLY that the most effective way to solve the family problems are NOT to attack each other in public ... but rather hash things out quietly ... and respectfully ... in private.

ETA: www.tmz.com

So whose side is she on? Sources say she's definitely NOT aligned with Janet, Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie ... and wasn't thrilled to see them camera-whoring all over TV this week.

Bottom line -- we're told La Toya wants what's best for Michael's kids ... and feels the quicker the family can stop making a public spectacle of themselves ... the better off the kids will be.

**sluce** · July 27th, 2012, 10:29 AM

^^ Wilson - you need a link to show where that report came from for legal purposes.

**blinditembabe** · July 27th, 2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Wilson

LATOYA LIVES!!!!

La Toya Jackson is a conscientious objector ... REFUSING to take part in the Jackson media war ... because she believes all of the PUBLIC feuding is damaging the family name.

La Toya -- who's not exactly shy when it comes to publicity -- has been noticeably absent from the media blitz surrounding Michael Jackson's kids and the MJ Estate.

We're told La Toya feels VERY STRONGLY that the most effective way to solve the family problems are NOT to attack each other in public ... but rather hash things out quietly ... and respectfully ... in private.

So whose side is she on? Sources say she's definitely NOT aligned with Janet, Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie ... and wasn't thrilled to see them camera-whoring all over TV this week.

Bottom line -- we're told La Toya wants what's best for Michael's kids ... and feels the quicker the family can stop making a public spectacle of themselves ... the better off the kids will be.

So, wait, the rest of the clan goes bat-guano and suddenly LaToya has gone ... sane?

**sluce** · July 27th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Well Granny has decided to not fight to regain full custody....

Attorney: Deal reached on Jackson guardianship - Yahoo! Music

Attorney: Deal reached on Jackson guardianship
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY | Associated Press – 9 hours ago.. .

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Katherine Jackson's attorney says his client has agreed to allow Tito Jackson's son to become a co-guardian of Michael Jackson's three children.

Lawyer Perry Sanders Jr. says the decision was made after a meeting he had with the Jackson family matriarch on Thursday. He announced the deal in a statement Friday.

A judge on Wednesday suspended Katherine Jackson's guardianship duties temporarily and appointed Tito Joe "TJ" Jackson as temporary guardian.

Sanders says Michael Jackson's 15-year-old son Prince has told attorneys the agreement reflects the wishes of the pop superstar's children.

The agreement comes after days of turmoil in the Jackson family, including questions about Katherine Jackson's health and whereabouts.

**Seapharris7** · July 28th, 2012, 06:28 PM

Katherine sounds like she's losing it, whether it be pressure, mentally or physically going down hill, or teenagers being raised by a grandmother stress. She's said she wasn't kidnapped, held against her will, and her kids would never do something like that to her... and she was "advised by a doctor" to take off & cut off all contact. I wish I had a doctor who said I should just abandon all my responsibilities, NOT TELL my children/grandchildren where I was & how to get a hold of me, go to a spa, & cut off all contact from the outside world. Sounds perfectly logical, right?

As much as everyone likes to cut Katherine slack, she stayed with an emotionally, mentally, & physically abusive man - and is STILL married to him - all of her kids lives. MJ obviously had a lot of issues, as do all the rest of the clan (although, I havent heard anything from Tito or Jackie). I dont doubt she loves her grand kids, but I'm wondering what would happen if she died before 1 or all of this kids turned 18.

Wouldn't it open up room for the MJ's siblings to fight for guardianship then? And since she's still married to Joe, would he inherit her portion of the MJ inheritance? There should at least be an additional guardian in case something happens to the original one.

**faithanne** · July 28th, 2012, 08:29 PM

^Yeah I wondered whether they were trying to make her out to be crazy or incompetent so they could take control of the kids and their money.

**Kathie_Moffett** · July 29th, 2012, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by faithanne

^Yeah I wondered whether they were trying to make her out to be crazy or incompetent so they could take control of the kids and their money.

They're just dumb enough to think that might work, so BINGO, I'd say you got it!

**sluce** · July 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Seapharris7

I dont doubt she loves her grand kids, but I'm wondering what would happen if she died before 1 or all of this kids turned 18.

Wouldn't it open up room for the MJ's siblings to fight for guardianship then? And since she's still married to Joe, would he inherit her portion of the MJ inheritance? There should at least be an additional guardian in case something happens to the original one.

Originally Posted by faithanne

^Yeah I wondered whether they were trying to make her out to be crazy or incompetent so they could take control of the kids and their money.

The trust seems to be well written and managed. MJ left some money to his Mom. It may be just a an annual allowance based on a percentage of current value, that ends at her death. Then Joe would get nothing unless MJ willed it to him. Or if MJ left her cash value, it is then hers to will as she sees fit and it could go to the kids or Joe. Guardianship is also established with Diana getting them whe Katherine dies. His siblings could file but a judge would not be likely to grant the custody. MJ was a fool but he seems to have had some strong legal representation on setting up the estate.

**rollo** · July 29th, 2012, 04:54 AM

But it's hard to take seriously that leaving your kids to your aged and clearly stressed Mom or, failing that, um Diana Ross is the best move you could do even given the unlikely alternatives. So my guess is that MJ knew certain staff would be raising them anyway and I think the staff would move around to accommodate them whichever Jackson is nominally raising them. They may even be staff from Michael's roaming-around-the-world-and-escaping -his -creditors -and -haterz time. So TJ may look the best option but I doubt he is doing the hard work.

Silly me talking about the child raising when it is all about the $$$$$$$$$!

**Seapharris7** · July 29th, 2012, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by rollo

But it's hard to take seriously that leaving your kids to your aged and clearly stressed Mom or, failing that, um Diana Ross is the best move you could do even given the unlikely alternatives. So my guess is that MJ knew certain staff would be raising them anyway and I think the staff would move around to accommodate them whichever Jackson is nominally raising them. They may even be staff from Michael's roaming-around-the-world-and-escaping -his -creditors -and -haterz time. So TJ may look the best option but I doubt he is doing the hard work.

Silly me talking about the child raising when it is all about the $$$$$$$$$!

Drugs usually dont lead you to make the best decisions... And, in some ways, I actually like the idea of skilled nannies/caretakers looking after the kids. Hopefully there is a psychiatrist or counselor on payroll too, as opposed to any of his family members. I also agree with the trust & those appointed to control it, despite the siblings protests.
I'm baffled at Diana Ross being appointed, but I do agree with some sort of guardian who had their own $$ & would not be concerned with using the children for financial gain.

**rollo** · July 29th, 2012, 07:46 AM

^ Maybe Diana Ross was appointed because Liz Taylor said No?

I agree he wasn't thinking straight but I think he loved the fame by association which is curious because he didn't seem to want it for his kids.

**NoNoRehab** · July 29th, 2012, 11:18 PM

Diana Ross was supposedly baffled when she learned she had been named in MJ's will as a possible guardian to his kids. She hadn't had any contact with Jackson in years, didn't know his kids and hadn't been notified that he was going to do such a thing. She also has a bunch of kids and grandkids of her own and there's no indication she would want to take on the added responsibility when she has her own life. She has stayed far, far away from this whole mess so far and excused herself of any legal responsibility.

Prince said on his Twitter that MJ warned him not to trust his siblings. MJ also hated his father. Which begs the question as to why MJ would think Katherine was a suitable guardian, considering Jackson knew damn well that Katherine enabled Joe their entire marriage, refused to divorce him or cut him off, and MJ also knew that Katherine funded and let several of the freeloading siblings/grandkids live with her. So he gives guardianship to the one woman who will be guaranteed to expose his kids to the people he hated.

Far from completely trusting her and loving her unconditionally, MJ supposedly went through a period of a couple of years where he barely talked to Katherine because he was so angry at her for robbing him of his childhood by letting Joe abuse him, and also because she was so enthralled with being a Jehovah's Witness (which MJ also blamed for ruining his childhood). I've heard he was also pissed because she would turn around and use some of the allowance MJ gave her and give it to Joe and some of the other siblings, against Michael's express wishes.