Michael Jackson dies at age 50 from cardiac arrest

[Sarzy]

Another thread from the MJ fansite. Some people are just friggin unbelievable. My aunt died yesterday what should i do? 2 funerals the same day. Help. - MJJCOMMUNITY - OFFICIAL FORUM

[AliceInWonderland]

stupid twat

[Chilly Willy]

^^ You guys are cruel, those are some serious issues!

[nancydrew]

I'm sorry, but some of those people are fucking retarded, and probably should have been smothered at birth.

[angelais]

Originally Posted by Sarzy

Another thread from the MJ fansite. Some people are just friggin unbelievable. My aunt died yesterday what should i do? 2 funerals the same day. Help. - MJJCOMMUNITY - OFFICIAL FORUM

Haul your aunt's dead body over to the Staples Center ala Weekend at Bernie's and get a two for one memorial service.

[celeb_2006]

Michael Jackson was taken to hospital known for 'raising the dead'


When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2-1/2 hours.
Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.

"They took people who were basically dead, not all that different than Michael Jackson, and saved most of them," said Dr. Lance Becker, an emergency medicine specialist at the University of Pennsylvania and an American Heart Association spokesman.

Could Jackson, too, have been saved?

It's impossible to know. Doctors at the hospital worked on him for an hour. The UCLA expert, cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Gerald Buckberg, said he was not personally involved in Jackson's treatment, and that too little is known about what preceded it.

"We have no idea when he died versus when he was found," Buckberg said in a telephone interview.

However, the results in other patients show that "the window is wide open to new thinking" about how long people can be successfully resuscitated after their hearts quit beating, Buckberg said. "We can salvage them way beyond the current time frames that are used. We've changed the concept of when the heart is dead permanently."

They call it "the Lazarus syndrome" for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.

Let's be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg's study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.

Buckberg's method requires:

—Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.

—Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.

—Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.

Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.

"You can save the heart and lose the brain," Buckberg explained.

UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg's method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.

Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.

Dr. Constantine Athanasuleas, a surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, treated one man in the study who had been in cardiac arrest for about an hour and a half. The man's wife, a nurse, did CPR until a helicopter brought him to the hospital.

"He was flatlined," with a heart "as still as your dining room table," Athanasuleas said.

Doctors put him on a heart-lung machine, whisked him to the catheterization lab to see if he had artery blockages, then did bypass surgery to detour around them.

"The guy went home and was neurologically perfect" at least two years later, the doctor said.

Buckberg treated a woman who had been in cardiac arrest for 2-1/2 hours.

He would not send her to the operating room until her CPR and blood pressure could be maintained so further treatment could be attempted, he said.

Sadly, the woman survived all this but died several weeks later from an infection.

Buckberg has taken his work further in experiments with pigs in cardiac arrest. He deliberately deprived their brains of blood flow for half an hour, then used his resuscitation techniques to bring them back, with normal or near-normal function. Results presented at a heart association conference last fall stunned many, including Dr. Myron Weisfeldt, a cardiologist and chairman of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

"He's doing extraordinary things. You almost don't believe the results that he got," Weisfeldt said of Buckberg. "Most of us carry around in our head that if somebody's brain is deprived of blood flow for 10 to 15 minutes that we're just not going to get them back to any useful function. His data suggest it's possible."

Doctors in Japan, Taiwan and elsewhere in Asia have tried approaches similar to Buckberg's with excellent results, said Becker, who is about to try it in Philadelphia.

"It takes training. It takes rethinking" to get doctors to adopt something this new, and funding for bigger studies to prove it works, Buckberg said.

[Seapharris7]

Originally Posted by nancydrew

But there are 13 year olds that don't know any better, they aren't that bright, weren't raised right, etc... pedos usually prey on those types more than the ones that know that shit is wrong.
The parents were probably too starstruck to see through the bullshit. Or just fucking retarded, piss poor parents.That doesn't justify their neglect in the situation, and doesn't give the sick fuck the right to sexually abuse the kids, though.

^ Ok, I'll agree with the bolded. There isnt a real doubt in my mind that I was raised very well - but these are some of the things I question when jumping on a so-called "pedo's" back...

Believe me, I'm not a fan of MJ's - he was a "genius" when it came to music... but his life was less that desirable. I wouldnt have let my child, muchless without supervision, around him... and I find it a damn crying shame that his MOTHER has custody of the kids. I wouldnt have decided that either.

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by Sarzy

Another thread from the MJ fansite. Some people are just friggin unbelievable. My aunt died yesterday what should i do? 2 funerals the same day. Help. - MJJCOMMUNITY - OFFICIAL FORUM

The fact that this moron has to even act like this is a major decision proves that he/she belongs with the other fantards at MJ's funeral. A normal person wouldn't even have to debate the issue.

[Seapharris7]

^ Agreed

[Chilly Willy]

Ban the bitch!

[buttmunch]

Originally Posted by Seapharris7

^ Ok, I'll agree with the bolded. There isnt a real doubt in my mind that I was raised very well - but these are some of the things I question when jumping on a so-called "pedo's" back...

Believe me, I'm not a fan of MJ's - he was a "genius" when it came to music... but his life was less that desirable. I wouldnt have let my child, muchless without supervision, around him... and I find it a damn crying shame that his MOTHER has custody of the kids. I wouldnt have decided that either.

So you're essentially saying that the blame lies with the parents for putting their kids into the pedo's path, and that 13-years-old is too old to be considered a child (despite only one of them being that age). Also, there were several other accusers, one of whom was paid off to the tune of 2 million dollars. Remember the maid's kid? Yeah, that's the one. And why do people agree to be paid off? I'll guess it's because going through this type of trial would simply pile more trauma on the kid. Hell, we all know the names of the kids and if they were abused they are forever branded as the kids who were molested by a freak.

I am amongst those who cannot believe for one fucking second that people are doing backflips to excuse his behavior. Oh yeah, he was so 'childlike'. Yeah, until he went into hardcore business deals. Then he was all grown up. How convenient. And no, he was not a genius or the greatest entertainer ever or any of the other idiotic bullshit that's being bandied about. He was a pop start who did some interesting stuff. End the madness now.

[buttmunch]

Now, I know bad taste isn't a crime (although it should be) but if Jackson was the king of anything he was the king of tacky. I can't post the pictures at the link so if someone would be so kind as to do it for me, muchos gracias.

My fave bit is this: 'Jackson's bed, covered by a 50 thousand pound sequined duvet, sits beneath an image of the Last Supper, with the star in the place of Jesus and Abraham Lincoln and Elvis among his 'apostles'.

Someone tell me where the child-like innocence comes into play there.

[angelais]

Originally Posted by buttmunch

Now, I know bad taste isn't a crime (although it should be) but if Jackson was the king of anything he was the king of tacky. I can't post the pictures at the link so if someone would be so kind as to do it for me, muchos gracias.

My fave bit is this: 'Jackson's bed, covered by a 50 thousand pound sequined duvet, sits beneath an image of the Last Supper, with the star in the place of Jesus and Abraham Lincoln and Elvis among his 'apostles'.

Someone tell me where the child-like innocence comes into play there.

Here is the actual painting (or whatever medium it was done in):



Jesus complex anyone?

[buttmunch]

^^You have to wonder if that was painted on velvet.

[Jexxifer]

Originally Posted by angelais

Here is the actual painting (or whatever medium it was done in):



Jesus complex anyone?

Who is the last one on the right?